Voidwatch Discussion

[macross]

I've done near 200 qilins and 0 corus for me. I've seen 4 drop to others though. Whm chick in ls has gotten 2x borealis. Prob has only killed it like 12-16x maybe. She's never gotten a lux though or akvan body, but gotten like 4x kaggen bodies lol. I swear if you go whm you get tank drops, and if you go war you get mage drops.

[VZX01]

done about 100 qilins, and buying plates as they drop, 600 plates+, last night got my second coru, 5+ nq daggers, 99+ gorgets/boots lol

And... People spam Qilin not for the gear most of the time... so makes sense for drops to be rarer... thou yesterday we had 12 kills with no pouches drops.. how is that even possible O.o

wtf, you averages 6 plates per fight? How is that possible?

[Mahoro]

Hmmm I have most of the MAB gear available for SMN but am missing a few pieces (maybe 15 or so MAB). I have a hard time breaking 1.5k on them. I use mostly the meritted BPs though.

edit: ah I see, they use Ramuh and destruction/ Skyblaze for the large damage and AF2+2 hands for those massive numbers. Something fun to try XD

Well-geared SMN can definitely pull off over 2k BP's on most VWNM with Mana Cede/appropriate atmacites/AF2+2 etc. I'm not sure I believe 4k on T6 though. I don't remember what I was doing on Botulus but for some reason I remember the average being lower.

[NynJa]

done about 100 qilins, and buying plates as they drop, 600 plates+, last night got my second coru, 5+ nq daggers, 99+ gorgets/boots lol

2 corus, 5+ nq daggers, 99+ gorgets/boots off ~100 qilins....I really REALLY hope thats 100 sets of 4x qilins, otherwise thats 107 top-tier drops off ~100 qilins, and you havent accounted for plate/pouch drops.

I think "Fake Numbers" is in order

[Draylo]

People over exaggerating on forums? That is unheard of!

[Foldypaws]

People over exaggerating on forums? That is unheard of!

I have seen *millions* of people exaggerate on forums.

[Tachi]

Well-geared SMN can definitely pull off over 2k BP's on most VWNM with Mana Cede/appropriate atmacites/AF2+2 etc. I'm not sure I believe 4k on T6 though. I don't remember what I was doing on Botulus but for some reason I remember the average being lower.

Thunderstorm 5/5 does a ton of damage if you can MB it with Skyblaze, augmented AF2+2 Hands and Sengikori.

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[NynJa]

wats a MB?

[Helel]

Well-geared SMN can definitely pull off over 2k BP's on most VWNM with Mana Cede/appropriate atmacites/AF2+2 etc. I'm not sure I believe 4k on T6 though. I don't remember what I was doing on Botulus but for some reason I remember the average being lower.

It depends on how many BLMs you have casting thundaja. I've seen ramuh do over 4k before on rex.

[Arthars]

remember dont break the thundaja accumulation ^^ (unless its a high/extreme weakness on other ja )

[Spira]

ok i havent been following BLM much. -ja magic accumulation affects magic BP dmg?

[Arthars]

not sure of that O_o

[Strawhat]

2 corus, 5+ nq daggers, 99+ gorgets/boots off ~100 qilins....I really REALLY hope thats 100 sets of 4x qilins, otherwise thats 107 top-tier drops off ~100 qilins, and you havent accounted for plate/pouch drops.

I think "Fake Numbers" is in order

what's wrong with the numbers i provided? i could say "too many gorgets and boots to count" tired of tossing them already, bet real number is around 20, also got about 20 pouches to date
naturally you can't get more then 100 drops from a 100 kills, i assumed people here, spamming VWs would get the point...

funny thing, this reminded me of statement by SE, where they said the numbers for empy/relic/mythic trials are temp, it could have been 1 or 9999, lol
i purposely posted 99, meaning too many of those drop... wow bg, wooow


i got my first coru on the 8th kill, another person that's been spamming with me got every drop in 12 killls
i know some people that are zip / 72+ on any weapon, friend today got first pouch after 40+ kills

done 8 kills earlier, i got 4 pouches(ones 3 pouches dropped to ally on one kill, thought 2 was the max), nq dagger, 2 necks, and boots ( i trio box)
so i could say it's 100 times 3, thou it's only about a 100 kills, the "chance" of me getting top tier is higher

I buy plates from whole server, check bazaars regularly, but the Bulk of them i get from people that do zilart kills with me, 150 kills now i'm at 800 plates (86 got sold for ridiculous amount O.o)
minmum number of plates you can get from pouch is 3, max is 15, so average is 9 per pouch.. not 6, my personal average thou is higher, not everyone wants to sell, some people are content to keep the plates they got and keep spamming VW for a year to upgrade a weapon...

[Yugl]

I buy plates from whole server, check bazaars regularly, but the Bulk of them i get from people that do zilart kills with me, 150 kills now i'm at 800 plates (86 got sold for ridiculous amount O.o)
minmum number of plates you can get from pouch is 3, max is 15, so average is 9 per pouch.. not 6, my personal average thou is higher, not everyone wants to sell, some people are content to keep the plates they got and keep spamming VW for a year to upgrade a weapon...

Reread VZX's post. He says six average per fight. He made this claim because he believed you claimed to have made 600 plates in 100 fights. For your pouch rebuttal to stand, you would need to receive a pouch on every fight.

[Mahoro]

It depends on how many BLMs you have casting thundaja. I've seen ramuh do over 4k before on rex.

Didn't realize the -ja correlation stuff. I'll have to use that!

[Strawhat]

Reread VZX's post. He says six average per fight. He made this claim because he believed you claimed to have made 600 plates in 100 fights. For your pouch rebuttal to stand, you would need to receive a pouch on every fight.

Would you kindly clarify your complaint
i don't understand either post, are you claiming i'm getting too much or too little?

I'll try to be as detailed as possible.
1 pouch = 10 plates (personal average). up to 3 pouches drop a fight
if you divide 600 plates by 10, you get 60 fights...
"i'm buying as they drop" -- from my post on previous page

where exactly do you see a problem with the information i have provided?

[Yugl]

First, the issue I am addressing isn't whether your information is genuine. I'm pointing out parts you might want to clarify in order to rebuttal people that do question the information. When you said

minmum number of plates you can get from pouch is 3, max is 15, so average is 9 per pouch.. not 6

I understood this post to be a response to VZX's post since he is the only person that mentions "six" out of all the posts on this page.

Looking at VZX's post, you see that he asks whether you average six plates per fight. He arrives at this number by dividing the total amount of plates you obtained (600) by the number of fights you have done (100). The response you provided earlier said what you average per pouch. However, average per pouch is not the same as average per fight. Thus, in order to make a good argument, you need to provide an average number of pouches per fight. You danced around this issue when you talked about "up to 3" per fight, but that only constitutes a maximum, not an average.

In short, I didn't question the information since your original post was vague (And I anticipated that you would be buying them). I did want to point out that you could have made a better and more direct response. Buying a majority of the run's pouches, Tri-Boxing, and discussing average number of pouches per fight is sufficient for rebuttal; you did not need that mega-post. As a correction to my earlier post, "every fight" is incorrect as you pointed out.

Edit: Why tell you how to make a better and more direct response? It helps reduce the pages of arguments when people directly answer questions rather than bat blindly at each other.

[Strawhat]

I'll admit it, i have not been clear
I have made the post with an assumption that people reading this section have actually done Qilin, rather then just reading about NM they have little knowledge of
I know macross has collected 1,500 plates traveling roughly the same path, so his reply was normal and without a doubt

I got angry at VZX01 reply when i read it together with Nynja's
but his statement is 100% accurate
600 plates in 100 fights would average to 6 plates every fight, or 12 plates every 2 fights, or 3 plates every 0.5 fights... it's just playing with mathematics
How is it possible? i have answered that in my first reply, pouch, according to wiki can have between 3 and 15 plates, (3+15)/2=9 that's the average, and that's how its possible
Furthermore,
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Qilin
The % listed for those numbers represent a single person WITHIN an alliance
excample: macross said 4 coru dropped in 200 kills, that's 2%, not 0.1% which wiki lists it at. I'd say chance of group getting 1 pouch is 50%, 2 pouches is 25% and 3 pouches 5% ( my general observation )

Can you imagine 5 heavy metal pouch drops in 200 kills by an alliance? that's what 2.6% on wiki represents... Would anyone on the server or In the game would have completed 95 empyrean weapon with that rate? in last year, in this year, or the next? 2.6% * 18 people = 46.8% (again, it's rough estimate)

Wiki has been proven wrong many times before, learn to take any and all information with a grain of salt.

[VZX01]

So basically, unless people lied to you that they don't get the heavy metal pouches drop, 600 plates are the net of 100 Qilin kill for a whole alliance.

That means 6 plates per Qilin overall, or 24 plates per 1 session. This is what you're getting, right?

...
believable, actually.

[Strawhat]

i do not believe i can be any clearer then what i already posted