Voidwatch Discussion

[dasva]

Oh and I'd like to add that whole thing about the colibri only spawning 2 adds is bunk. We've had up to 5 up at once. Seems to spawn them faster when we have more DDs on it but can't tell if it's associated with tp move or % hp or some combination or something else weird.

Also to note while somewhat mention each one casts 1 spell. Seems random upon spawning which element. So far all I've seen are the jas, comet and lol holy. Though not AOE holy was actually doing some decent dmg.

[matix]

So any strats on the colibri? Can't seem to get it even below 35%. And that's with embrava zerging and getting somewhat lucky on procs. Either the adds each us when we use fanatics or the main eats us when we use fools. Try pulling adds off either zergin them or having aegis hold them except it takes a good 10% of there hp to pull them off the main people even if they did nothign to it

my group adopted the strategy of killing the add's for the 4 toau VW's we did, the colibri never repopped them after we killed 6(?)(but it may be possible he does only fought it once with 1 wipe 1 success after we decided to kill the adds) and we maintained this strategy for all 4 of the ones we did that night, it worked for us well, hope this helps somehow

seemed the colibri add's were super squishy but had decent HP, all the other nm's the add's were stupid easy, id say the frog pets being the easiest of all, was 1 shotting them with RNG ws's

[Falaras]

So with the Save TP nerf have people started using new atmas? The new Dark Designs one with TP Bonus+50 looks like it might be pretty good for the likes of Resolution Drk and Shoha sam, but I'm not sure.

[fantasticdan]

I guess this would be really obvious, but is the colibri spawning adds that cast the spells it was hit by? Had a blm casted comet on it sometime before you got a comet add?

[Rehn]

If it's too expensive, I'm gonna lazy it up and keep rolling with disciple/coercion >.>

[Jem]

So any strats on the colibri? Can't seem to get it even below 35%. And that's with embrava zerging and getting somewhat lucky on procs. Either the adds each us when we use fanatics or the main eats us when we use fools. Try pulling adds off either zergin them or having aegis hold them except it takes a good 10% of there hp to pull them off the main people even if they did nothign to it

This was the set-up we took. For the first Colibri we were missing the COR from the main DD party too.

WAR Kingawesome
SAM Sutebe
DRK Jem
WHM Annelisse
COR Dunkydouble
BRD Zatoichina

BLM Alkimi
BLM Teplin
BLM Sizah
BLM Rutek
NIN Scudley
BLU Niloc

PLD Czephiroth
MNK Sechs
DRG Confuse
RNG Anarkus
RDM Vigilia
WHM Gever

The PLD was supposed to hold adds but in the end they just wailed on the DD's but wasn't much of an issue with Fanas up. They seem to share hate with the NM's in some way (or people messed up) but it wasn't an issue.

We didn't do anything out of the ordinary other than hit it until it falls over with Fanas up. It never popped more than 2 adds. Personally I never bothered with Fools for any of the ToAU mobs. Charm never went off from any of them too.

Dew

Anyone have any strats on Morta? We kept running into problems with its Full Bloom move that eats 1 baby and gives it -DT. Those that have killed it did you just proc lock it or try something different? We tried moving babies away still absorbs them even at 45 distance.

Exact same strat and set-up as above although the PLD was able to hold the adds for a while. When he died (not sure what caused it) some of the mages distracted adds as best as they could. If they did hit DD's, the DD was dead instantly if Fanas wore (They hit me for 250+ per swing in full PDT)

But we did nothing out of the ordinary. Just the usual proc and zerg as best you can.


EDIT: Actually this wasn't our usual ally set-up. Normally we'd have 2 parties of 3x DD COR BRD WHM. I didn't do set-up so I assume we were missing COR's or BRD's or something so had to settle for something else.

[Khamsin]

This was the set-up we took. For the first Colibri we were missing the COR from the main DD party too.

The PLD was supposed to hold adds but in the end they just wailed on the DD's but wasn't much of an issue with Fanas up. They seem to share hate with the NM's in some way (or people messed up) but it wasn't an issue.

We didn't do anything out of the ordinary other than hit it until it falls over with Fanas up. It never popped more than 2 adds. Personally I never bothered with Fools for any of the ToAU mobs. Charm never went off from any of them too.

Any tips on how to only get 2 adds? I did it like 10 times and we kept getting lots of adds.

[Jem]

How long were your fights lasting? I never got to use Last Resort/Berserk/Aggressor/Diabolic Eye twice in the same fight so our fights must have been sub 4 minutes total and it spent the majority of that time proc locked for the 2 fights we did.

[Zag]

Pretty much all ToAU mobs were a joke or at least a lot easier than we expected. Cleared all 5 of them with a standard VW set-up and no issues.

On BG wiki it says something about a Maddening Petrifact KI from the T2 but I didn't get that on kill. Only Atmacite of Preservation and periapt of recompense. Although I did get a Riftcinder and then a full pool of 4 Crystal Petrifacts and nothing else in the box.

Fuck knows where I'm going to get the clear CS. VW NPC says to go to Raubahn. Not sure where he is, only checked the palace so far.

I got that maddening KI off a Jeuno t5 mob in Latheine. Those crystal perifacts (ex) also drop alot in seem to drop in every single VW there is. I think the KI and the crystals can drop anywhere.

[Falaras]

If it's too expensive, I'm gonna lazy it up and keep rolling with disciple/coercion >.>

I would love to see actual math on something like:
Atmacite of Latitude (TP Bonus+50 and Haste+3%) + Fighter's Roll
vs
Atmacite of Discipline + Miser's Roll
at least for jobs that can make real use of the TP bonus+50 like Drk with Resolution and Sam with Shoha.

[dasva]

How long were your fights lasting? I never got to use Last Resort/Berserk/Aggressor/Diabolic Eye twice in the same fight so our fights must have been sub 4 minutes total and it spent the majority of that time proc locked for the 2 fights we did.

Sounds like you got a little lucky. Ours lasted a bit longer and so had a hard time keeping proc'd. Then all the jaing wrecked us. I mean even last fight we got pretty decent procs with everyone embrava'd rotated 2hr brd songs since the thing loves to mambo and still only got to like 35%. Also once had it pop 3 within 30 seconds. Several times 2 seemed to pop at the same time or damn near the same time

[Slycer]

The upgrades on the new tier 1 atmacites go 15000...30000... has anyone upgraded further? They might be the same as the upgrades for tier 3 Zilart/Jeuno (1.245 million to 15)

[Lyramion]

If your fights are lasting longer it might be better to kill the adds and keep it steady and slow. Killed it this way in a pug after 2 wipes of semizerk.

[Chamaan]

I got something of a crackpot theory about all these varying accounts of difficulty. Remember when they were talking about changing the way that proccing would affect battle? They made a post about it when they announced the delay of the last VW chapter, but what if they already put some of that in? We still aren't sure what those new Petrifacts do. Maybe they're adding extra weakness to our procs. Morta and Bismarck are dropping that periapt that rewards hitting white, but only to the player who triggered it. Maybe the new Petrifacts are doing the same thing but for weakening the target. I mean there's three of them, and three categories of trigger (JA/Magic/WS). Maybe we should start polling alliances about which petrifacts they have and see if there's any correlation between a high number of procs from people with/without them and fight difficulty.

[Slycer]

Looks like the hands abjurations are the Tavnazia path and the legs abjurations are the Aht Urhgan path. Guess head, body, and feet will be Provenance?

@Chamaan, JA and WS triggers have been grouped into the same category consistently. There are periapts that affect both of them and they are both attributed to the blue spectral alignment. There hasn't been anything that has separated them into different categories.

Since they can be purchased and drop from NMs as well, I'm fairly confident that the key item petrifacts will be expendable items in Provenance, perhaps used to pop something, for access, or for something else we don't know about yet, but not permanent. Considering you can purchase petrifacts for 330,000 cruor, I don't think they'd punish you for spending 330,000 cruor by adding even more potential procs. Anyway, the procs are determined for the mob, not based on the players or what items they have or don't have.

[Jem]

Sounds like you got a little lucky. Ours lasted a bit longer and so had a hard time keeping proc'd. Then all the jaing wrecked us. I mean even last fight we got pretty decent procs with everyone embrava'd rotated 2hr brd songs since the thing loves to mambo and still only got to like 35%. Also once had it pop 3 within 30 seconds. Several times 2 seemed to pop at the same time or damn near the same time

If it was 1 fight I'd agree it was maybe luck but this was 2 fights back to back, one of them with the DD's barely buffed (double marches only).

To me it sounds like the main difference between our fights and your fights is that we kept it procced. So it summoning adds is possibly tied to a TP move or some behaviorial pattern that cannot/doesn't trigger whilst it is procced.

If anything, I found the Firaja and Thundaja adds a convenient Scarlet Delirium trigger tbh.


EDIT: We did the Colibri first so had zero petrifacts in the alliance.

[Churchill]

So any strats on the colibri? Can't seem to get it even below 35%. And that's with embrava zerging and getting somewhat lucky on procs. Either the adds each us when we use fanatics or the main eats us when we use fools. Try pulling adds off either zergin them or having aegis hold them except it takes a good 10% of there hp to pull them off the main people even if they did nothign to it

We did Madrigalx2+Hunters Roll based on what some people who I know don't suck parsed with no food/99Relics the day prior. I'd guessed his evasion at ~555 and thought hitting it would be better than not. Was proc locked for a bit, but the PLD just tanked the adds at the Colibri, thing died in ~1:30.

[Chamaan]

Since they can be purchased and drop from NMs as well, I'm fairly confident that the key item petrifacts will be expendable items in Provenance, perhaps used to pop something, for access, or for something else we don't know about yet, but not permanent. Considering you can purchase petrifacts for 330,000 cruor, I don't think they'd punish you for spending 330,000 cruor by adding even more potential procs. Anyway, the procs are determined for the mob, not based on the players or what items they have or don't have.

That's not a bad theory considering the crystal petrifacts we're seeing drop off every tier of VW now. The theory I've been working on with those is they're going to be new Provenance Voidstones. They're both called Petrifacts so maybe they go together.

[Jem]

I'd think Madrigalx2 + Hunter's is slightly overkill. You could drop 1 or 2 of those pending on your DD's.

Diabolic Eye/Aggressor covered any acc issues I had first fight using Ragnarok. Second fight when we had a COR, we got Hunter's and I was capped acc using Apoc.

[Quen]

We wiped to the colibri over and over the other night in a pug group but in the end we sussed it all out and had a VERY easy win on the final fight once we figured out the deal with its adds.

The colibri will pop a single add every time it uses Snatch Morsel whether it eats someones food or not. Once it pops a total of five or six adds it wont pop any more than that. Each add has a different elemental affinity and the pops seem to progress somewhat through the elemental wheel even though there are ultimately only 5 or 6 adds that will pop. The groups who are just having 2 pops are probably in a solid VW group that isn't a typical PUG run and prob are keeping the boss procced most of the fight, getting lucky w/ the TP moves the boss uses, and having VERY short fights. For a standard VW group/PUG the best way we found to deal with the colibri was to have the PLD tank the boss off to one side, feed it some TP and control the add pops. When the adds pop zerg them and kill them, once you have all 5 or 6 killed simply proc the boss like normal and kill it. Be mindful to watch out for the AOE charm move, if the entire group gets hit with charm the boss will go white and depop.

Super easy fight overall once you address the mechanics properly.