Voidwatch Discussion

[Prothescar]

So does the watcher actually count as a dragon for the purposes of ancient circle/dragon breaker?

Since exceptions for higher tier NMs exist (for example, ADL isn't affected by Warding Circle/Hamanoha) I somehow doubt either of these work on him.

[Yugl]

Nope, tested last time and Dragon Breaker didn't work, so I assume Ancient Circles did not as well.

[Byrthnoth]

5th from the bottom.

SE > We made circle abilities useful!
US > Cool, we luv it!
SE > It was too useful, so we make this useless.

[fantasticdan]

Hmm that's what I figured, back to not inviting dragoons to anything than I guess.

[Nightfyre]

Good to know, now for the likely possibility that you don't stun it, then you need to nuke it. It doesn't help people to say just stun Raksha stance. If that's all you have, then stop Nynja'ing.

Am I missing something here? Stance also gives him 50% MDT and I'm not aware of any mechanic by which nuking him reduces PDT aside from (obviously) magic procs.

[Chamaan]

Square: US-Version launch
Square: Please study English
User: Its hard to play with them
Square: Well, its just an experiment

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Square: We made an auto-translator, play with English-people
User: Your Tab-auto-translator sucks
Square: Well, its just an experiment

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Square: Go study abroad with FFXI
User: The behaviour of newcomers are bad
Square: We are happy to hear that all users are pleased

It's like they didn't understand that they were the ones being rude and bad at the game. HMMMM

[Tachi]

Acicular Brand and Orogenesis are physical TP moves while Crystallite Shower, Phason Beam, Crystallite Shower, Graviton Crux, Crystal Bolide and Fragor Maximus are magic (but still affected by Fanatic's Drink of course).

Crystallite Shower does Dia+Slow+Addle.
Graviton Crux absorbs HP and one random attribute from each player.
Crystal Bolide does Obliviscence+Terror, Terror Screen should be used under 50%.
Fragor Maximus does Weakness and gives Provenance Watcher a strong intimidation effect. Proccing with magic/Stun becomes difficult.

Damage from his melee attacks depend on which side you are. Tail is aoe 900-1200 dmg, claw does 600-900 dmg (single target or aoe with add stun) and Head is aoe 250-300 magic dmg (if you're in front of Provenance Watcher)
Sometimes Provenance Watcher gains additionnal effect HP drain and Reprisal but I didn't find how, perhaps after Crystallite Shower.
Light Fetter has aura ST20.

[Churchill]

He has additional effect TP/MP/HP drain at certain times, I know he did during 4 wings, has additional effect stun during 0 wings. I don't know if they are tied to those or not.

[SargentRemora]

Can confirm that Provenance Watcher can summon fetters before 50%. Had several out before 50% when we tried.

[Alkimi]

If you're zerging the dragon, why bring a pld? And why no nin? Ninjutsu procs are pretty common normally.

San spells aren't triggers in provenance meaning you can get the majority of them from SJ. Bit of a wasted spot.

When we do it we'll probably get the pld to change to war between caturaes and PW to give us the best chance.

[Seph]

San spells aren't triggers in provenance meaning you can get the majority of them from SJ. Bit of a wasted spot.

When we do it we'll probably get the pld to change to war between caturaes and PW to give us the best chance.

Not getting a nin is a mistake.

There are spells that only main Nin can land to process (Ignoring Sans spells)
Nin should /DNC and cover /dnc process plus get 5X box step or 5x stutter step (Depends on your setup) that's -30% Magic evasion or -13% Def
Hello Katana?
Can help with Dagger too when needed since nin got access to most of dagger ws unlike other melees
Spamming Ninjutsu to call process
Plus you let other people use better SJ instead of /dnc or /nin
Nin is one of the busiest jobs in VW.
Hell we even got Swift blade once as a process and we didn't have a pld which is annoying.

[Mahoro]

Have any hat abjurations been found yet? or is that the territory of Legion drops?

Yeah, as Jimbo said, at this point I think Hat and Feet abjurations are Legion.

Re: the NIN thing in Prov Watcher, on the runs I've done with Churchill's setup, there are a couple miscellaneous slots in the third party where I can see NIN being a fine substitute. Otherwise, I can personally attest to the effectiveness of that setup.

[Alkimi]

Not getting a nin is a mistake.

There are spells that only main Nin can land to process (Ignoring Sans spells)
Nin should /DNC and cover /dnc process plus get 5X box step or 5x stutter step (Depends on your setup) that's -30% Magic evasion or -13% Def
Hello Katana?
Can help with Dagger too when needed since nin got access to most of dagger ws unlike other melees
Spamming Ninjutsu to call process
Plus you let other people use better SJ instead of /dnc or /nin
Nin is one of the busiest jobs in VW.
Hell we even got Swift blade once as a process and we didn't have a pld which is annoying.

I get where you're coming from but it's just fitting it in somewhere. Unless I want to gimp overall damage by having a NIN instead of a proper DD they'll have to be in the misc party which atm for us is SCH BLMx2 BLU SMN THF. Maybe 2 of those can be replaced with another job (SMN and THF) but at the loss of a whole other set of triggers or a decent amount of Treasure Hunter.

[Imoq]

Not getting a nin is a mistake.

There are spells that only main Nin can land to process (Ignoring Sans spells)
Nin should /DNC and cover /dnc process plus get 5X box step or 5x stutter step (Depends on your setup) that's -30% Magic evasion or -13% Def
Hello Katana?
Can help with Dagger too when needed since nin got access to most of dagger ws unlike other melees
Spamming Ninjutsu to call process
Plus you let other people use better SJ instead of /dnc or /nin
Nin is one of the busiest jobs in VW.
Hell we even got Swift blade once as a process and we didn't have a pld which is annoying.

Hard to read with the word "process" in the middle of everything.

[Ophannus]

I might be whooshing here but I did a few T6 a few weeks ago and a Kannagi NIN came close to ukon WAR within 1% the first fight and outparsed the same WAR the next. I parsed third with OAT lance DRG but whereas the NIN and WAR did about 40%/60% with Melee/WS, I did like 20%/80%
NIN with haste, marches and ODD with chaos roll, Ageha and dia3 do tremendous melee dot.
None of us had procs for these fights, it was Ig-Alima btw.

Fight 1

Kryssa 31068 15.35 % 13553 0 0 17515 0 0 0
Medaly 33211 16.41 % 17639 0 0 15572 0 0 0
Ophannus 28652 14.44 % 5395 0 2227 21030 0 0 0


Kryssa 17515 0 17515 56.38 % 9/0 100.00 % 779/2460 1946.11
- Blade: Hi 17515 0 17515 100.00 % 9/0 100.00 % 779/2460 1946.11
Medicaru 17438 0 17438 72.95 % 9/0 100.00 % 1043/4025 1937.56
- Ukko's Fury 17438 0 17438 100.00 % 9/0 100.00 % 1043/4025 1937.56
Ophannus 21030 0 21030 73.40 % 9/0 100.00 % 1383/3267 2336.67
- Stardiver 21030 0 21030 100.00 % 9/0 100.00 % 1383/3267 2336.67


Fight 2

Kryssa 36488 18.39 % 16467 0 0 19998 23 0 0
Kryssa 19998 0 19998 54.81 % 10/0 100.00 % 831/2707 1999.80
- Blade: Hi 19998 0 19998 100.00 % 10/0 100.00 % 831/2707 1999.80
Medicaru 32606 16.44 % 16851 0 0 15755 0 0 0
Medicaru 14741 0 14741 63.91 % 8/0 100.00 % 1342/2682 1842.63
- Ukko's Fury 14741 0 14741 100.00 % 8/0 100.00 % 1342/2682 1842.63
Ophannus 31752 15.69 % 5011 0 2453 24288 0 0 0
Ophannus 24288 0 24288 76.49 % 10/0 100.00 % 1520/3513 2428.80
- Stardiver 24288 0 24288 100.00 % 10/0 100.00 % 1520/3513 2428.80

[Flight_93]

Hard to read with the word "mistake" in the middle of everything.

[Neisan]

Yea you'd have to die and stay dead for awhile for that to be happening.

[NynJa]

Good to know, now for the likely possibility that you don't stun it, then you need to nuke it. It doesn't help people to say just stun Raksha stance. If that's all you have, then stop Nynja'ing.

Are my balls fused to your chin or something? Anyone with normal human reflexes can stun raksha stance with out the usage of bots...dont blame others for your own or your groups defficiencies. I know its probably "stupid an inefficient", but remember stun rotations...like skillchains, use em. One blm watches to stun, when they stun, the next blm stops casting and waits on raksha...etc etc.


And @ the guy who poste about nin spamming ninjutsu for procs:
Your blms should be spamming spells trying for procs already. Theres really no point in that. You might as well be meleeing and contributing.


I think nin gets underrated cuz a couple 85 kannagi pink nins got parsed against some properly geared 90 vere / ukons. Ive parsed my nin in vw as well, and despite getting stuck in the fucking blm party on qilin, i parsed 3rd behind the ally leaders brd/cor buffed ukon and a brd/cor buffed sam...ahead of a cor buffed mnk, drk, and sam, and ahead of a brd/cor buffed mnk who parsed 1.5 fucking percent.


Or, the dmg speadsheets say nin will suck in VW, but...and not that im shittalkin the spreadsheets...but that Uthers grip, which is an automatic ticket to the gimp thread, reports higher numbers than a pole grip last i checked.

[Ophannus]

Yeah as I demonstrated in the parse above, NIN can be a beast in VW(and by the same token, so can an OAT DRG/WAR)

[Darkmagi]

No, that just means that your other DDs sucked. Also a sch/drk or /blm with marches can solo stun raksha stance without any trouble. Makes kalasutrax a complete joke.