Voidwatch Discussion

[Sekundes]

We've had it happen with drgs and smns anytime a pet dies or is dimissed any adds that had no real hate (just aggro) on the pld would go batshit crazy and kill everyone and suddenly have hate so if you acted on another player by curing they would come after you. If you rely on a supertank strat, a pet job will murder you.

I dunno why this hasn't been addressed.

[SargentRemora]

Only way I've found to counteract this is as a SMN is to die if you need to switch pet. Adds won't go batshit then, but it's retarded to have to do so.

[dasva]

That's weird cause doesn't that kinda go against how hate works everywhere else?

[Skylark]

Thought this was common knowledge, it works the same was as JoJ, Mother Globe etc. We used to take a PUP and DRG to Aello, but after the first two times where pet died and adds went everywhere, we just don't take most pet jobs anymore. For DRG the wyvern stays away unless a proc is absolutely needed.

[pancakesandsex]

Just to reiterate my orginal question. Could you use a pet job's weird hate mechanics to get the adds off of whoever pops fjalar? I'm thinking of something like, instead of pulling the adds normally, you have the pet attack fjalar himself and then dismiss it to get the adds off, without ever touching the adds.

[Khamsin]

Just to reiterate my orginal question. Could you use a pet job's weird hate mechanics to get the adds off of whoever pops fjalar? I'm thinking of something like, instead of pulling the adds normally, you have the pet attack fjalar himself and then dismiss it to get the adds off, without ever touching the adds.

The pet doesn't have to attack anything, you just have to release.

For example (and I'm using this as an example because I haven't tried it on Fjalar, but I can reproduce it reliably on JoL):

JoL summons some new pets, and you have Garuda just chilling with you, not attacking or doing anything. You release Garuda. The newly summoned pets immediately come after you, unless someone else grabs them first.

That, I know, happens every time. Whether it works the same on Fjalar or other NMs, I can only assume. I haven't specifically tried doing that in most cases, because it's generally undesirable. Even had an ADL clone come after me for releasing Ramuh after the clones popped. I've had a Pandemonium Warden lamp come after me before. But I haven't tried reproducing the effect in those scenarios, for obvious reasons.

[SargentRemora]

Just to reiterate my orginal question. Could you use a pet job's weird hate mechanics to get the adds off of whoever pops fjalar? I'm thinking of something like, instead of pulling the adds normally, you have the pet attack fjalar himself and then dismiss it to get the adds off, without ever touching the adds.

If I recall, some of the T1 adds, including Fjalar's spawn with hate, so in this instance I don't think so.

[Mairja]

I've had ADL clone beating on me just because Ramuh died, I didn't even release.

[Taint]

I've had ADL clone beating on me just because Ramuh died, I didn't even release.

ADL has the random crazy hate.

[Renzy]

Fjalar's adds have very weird hate, I'll have to agree with an Aegis PLD tanking Fjalar and primarily using ranged damage to kill it. If the PLD keeps it positioned correctly and non-anni ranger's exercise a little hate control it'll go down easily.
If you're going with a PD Zerg method you're going to have to use Fanatic's also, as Thundris Shriek will still terror you, i'm not sure if Hellsnap will still stun you or not but I'd assume not.

In regards to using supertanking methods, using Bismarck as an example I always insist that the PLD (usually me) subs RDM and builds hate on all of the adds just so they're not going to be an issue. Although I very rarely invites SMN's or BST's to a VW group

[dasva]

Why sub rdm? If you are going to get hate them might as well use normal pld hate tools and meleeing

[Renzy]

Using the example of Bismarck, for Diaga + Sentinel when the Pugils pop and Ice Spikes are quite helpful

[Darkmagi]

Sounds like an additional unnecessary step really, just don't bring SMN or BST. lol

[Plow]

Or bring a PLD/SMN?

I bet if people start doing that a lot the shit will get fixed in a hurry.

[Darkmagi]

Does avatar death/release cause hate to transfer to the SMN, or does it just fuck it up entirely? Either way, fuck pet jobs.

[NynJa]

Should b easy enough to test 3boxing? Aggro a mob on not-smn, smn and release avatar, see who mob attacks?

[grevenilvec75]

I think in our LS the mobs usually kill the SMN/DRG first, then run around murdering everyone else.

[fantasticdan]

Or bring a PLD/SMN?

I bet if people start doing that a lot the shit will get fixed in a hurry.

SMN doesn't generate a bunch of hate or something, it just breaks supertanking by putting the smn and everyone else on the threat table.

EDIT: It's not like there's something special about it, release/pet death/??? just count as the smn performing an action on the mobs, same thing as if a non-pet job just fucked up and touched the adds.

[SargentRemora]

I was told it was down to release generating negative enmity or something. Though if that's true, I dunno how or why it happens when the pet dies naturally. All in all, if you're bringing any pet job to any VW with adds, the holder has to gain hate on the adds or you need to get lucky and have the pet not die.

[Kaisha]

With BLU being the /PLD bitch in PUG runs, what'll you think will get stuck being /PUP now that anyone can cover any Automaton hints now?

I'm thinking either the spare BLM or SCH will. Can keep pet out of range of attacks, and have Flashbulb or Strobe on it to trigger hint at a safe distance. Shame there are no pet jugs that aren't BST exclusive.


On another note, I updated and compacted my old VW trig chart up a little. I like having all my triggers shown on one screen without any scrolling or clicking, so I kept it alive rather than using other folk's efforts. - *clicky*

Sure took Google fucking forever to get hyperlink support in Docs.