Voidwatch Discussion

[Odesseiron]

Can you still participate and expend voidstones to fight/get loot if you don't have the other 3 paths clear? The patch notes aren't really specific. It says you must have the other zones cleared, but I don't know if that means to pop it or what.

[Kaisha]

[EDIT] NEVERMIND, read below.

[Arthars]

i think you can still participate

but will never get the chance to burn ur voidstone and get loots

[Kaisha]

Going to actually test this with my 2box so I can shut people up contribute to the thread rather than posting trends, be back in 15min.

[Slycer]

You can participate in city regions, and probably Zilart regions, without the proper stratum abyssite. We've had plenty of people in my linkshell fail to get the initial abyssite from the starting city and still capable of participating, using a voidstone, and getting rewards. You just need to have gotten at least one stratum abyssite because you can't get your first voidstone without it.

For the Jeuno fights, you can't participate at all without the Voidwatcher's emblem: Jeuno (you may be able to participate, I'm not sure, but if you can, it won't let you use a voidstone or get rewards). I think it's the emblem, and not the abyssite, which locks you out of participation.

[Kaisha]

I can check both then, I stockpiled on voiddust for a reason.

[EDIT] Nevermind that. Seems you can participate without neither. Time to eat my own words
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...fxivwtest2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...fxivwtest3.jpg

Consumes stone if you got one also (too lazy to post pic). Wtf was I pushing for my LS to climb tiers for members for again? Oh well...., guess I'll take the blame on Wednesday.




Now that just begs the question as to why one of our LS members couldn't get VW status during that one run they didn't have the appropriate region's stratum for....

[Slycer]

In case anyone cares, dunno if it's been posted elsewhere, the atmacite upgrade cost progressions are

10k > 20k > 30k > 40k > 50k > 50k > 50k > 50k > 50k (350,000 total) for the ones that came from previous tier 3 NMs.
and
30k > 30k > 40k > 50k > 60k > 70k > 80k > 80k > 80k (520,000 total) for the ones that came from previous tier 4 NMs.

Dunno what the upgrade costs are yet on the new atmacites, whether they fall into one of the patterns above or have a separate one. Been putting this new information on BG Wiki as I'm discovering it. If anyone's upgrading something besides discipline or devotion, can you record the stat progression through the tiers so we have it down?

[Slycer]

Can you try that again with a Voidstone on Drajiel? I would have expected the "voidstone not expended" message to appear even if you had voidstones. I'm sure you can "participate" in the battle, as far as actually fighting along with your LS, but I'm betting you wouldn't be eligible for rewards (i.e. you wouldn't use a voidstone).

[Kaisha]

I did, just got caught in the process of making 50 edits to one postwhen I made a note of that. Gives the normal message if you have a stone.

[Slycer]

I guess the only other possibility then is that it'll be a restriction at the end of the battle in terms of not letting you get loot etc, and forcing you to carry over your voidstone til the next battle. Seems unlikely though, so maybe it really is only the popping person who needs the clears. I suppose that's nice in terms of accessibility, but yeah, does seem dumb now that we pushed so many people through the tiers over the past month or so.

The only thing I can think of, still, is that there will be a Shinryu-style thing at the end which you actually need full clears yourself to get access to. This seems kind of likely now that there are multiple quests involved in the upgrade process as well.

Anyhow, @ Exoda, which temp items does Dusky adaptability give by itself without Vivid?

[Kaisha]

If anything, pushing people through tiers = NPC port access = Less time wasted gathering at zones for flux. Then again, they're all focused around Jeuno, so not that big a deal I guess for those.

That and all the gil I made off T2-3 drops.......oh lordy. Wednesday needs to come sooner so my LS can burn through Tier1 Jeuno.

Assuming they didn't fuck with the magic trigger requirements due to the cap raise.

[Exoda]

@Slycer, gives 2nd Mana/Health powders, and Braver's drink, and monarch drink, and Gnostic Drink(pax thingy)

the cactuar...didn't notice a pattern, i wasn't tanking but i checked my logs now, it kept jumping from 1k-4k needles, and all of a sudden only using 10k needles and ??? needles, didn't go back to 1k/4k after it used first 10k

[Slycer]

I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzaja (and eventually Thundaja) are already triggers, since Stoneja/Waterja/Aeroja/Firaja were triggers before. Hopefully nothing else new, though, considering people haven't even found 90% of the new scrolls yet.

[Exoda]

and about the new Periapt for weakness, its only for Wyvern/Avatars i think, didn't see anything other than those, The fiend seems vulnerable to Thunder elemental Bloodpacts. The fiend seems vulnerable to Wyvern fire elemental Bloodpacts.

there is a Periapt to enhance magic detection in the DATs, but NPC doesn't sell it so might be from an NM, can't get over cactuar to go into T2 and check them, will do jeuno paths later

[Exoda]

I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzaja (and eventually Thundaja) are already triggers, since Stoneja/Waterja/Aeroja/Firaja were triggers before. Hopefully nothing else new, though, considering people haven't even found 90% of the new scrolls yet.

i hate to say it but ... did scorpion NM with BLM BLU DRK NIN BRD, and we couldn't get ice HQ+NQ proc, we only missed SCH for red, but can't be NQ/HQ both same spell at same time...looks like your voidwatch weakness sheet gonna need an update...

PS: thanks for the sheet, it helped teaching idiots that voidwatch isn't abyssea <3

[Slycer]

@Slycer, gives 2nd Mana/Health powders, and Braver's drink, and monarch drink, and Gnostic Drink(pax thingy)

the cactuar...didn't notice a pattern, i wasn't tanking but i checked my logs now, it kept jumping from 1k-4k needles, and all of a sudden only using 10k needles and ??? needles, didn't go back to 1k/4k after it used first 10k

Healing/Mana Mist?

Also, that sounds pretty typical for Voidwatch, usually mob levels up and gets a new move set once it falls below a certain % HP. Maybe the adds have something to do with it? Like if you kill the adds it drops him back down to 1-4k?

[Kaisha]

there is a Periapt to enhance magic detection in the DATs, but NPC doesn't sell it so might be from an NM, can't get over cactuar to go into T2 and check them, will do jeuno paths later

There wasn't a second one to obtain on the test server, although I hope it on the servers with this update is as it would be handy for the second KI to break down red trigger by type of magic. (eg. Blue/Ninjutsu/Elemental)

[Churchill]

Well Holy II and the rest should also be triggers, and the new periapt also works for BST pet stuff as well

[Slycer]

...looks like your voidwatch weakness sheet gonna need an update...

I'm pretty sure the blue magic part of it is still incomplete. The only new ice spell they added that would be able to proc is Blizzaja, I think, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is a proc since the other -ja spells already were. It's also possible that the proc was something like Jubaku or Paralyze I/II that you couldn't stick.

[Spira]

Cherufe in Batallia gave me vivid periapt of frontiers, which is stone limit on hand +1...

Taweret in Bat [S] dropped me a Castellan's Shield. also got a silver mirror from it.
didnt get any KI from Taweret so I'm assuming the shared KI system is still in place

base exp/cruor is 6k, but frankly there weren't a challenge at all.