Voidwatch Discussion

[Tachi]

Pil becomes very easy to tank for a melee not under Shell with EA/Scherzo and a bit of PDT-%/MDT+% (Jelly Ring, Wiglen Gorget...).
Sam/war friend

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Skills weren't even capped, no Cureskin on these attacks (but EA/Scherzo are applied before Stoneskin, though)

[Lyramion]

That is pretty smart.

[dasva]

Increase dmg taken in order to decrease the dmg taken... that's actually quite brilliant.

[Helel]

Seriously lol? It's been a well-known tactic for a long time now. I've had my LS click off shell on many fights. I suppose SAM would need the extra +5% MDT since their max hp is fairly high.

Scherzo/EA are applied after MDT/PDT, so do whatever it takes to increase the damage over 75%.

[Eldelphia]

Seriously lol? It's been a well-known tactic for a long time now. I've had my LS click off shell on many fights. I suppose SAM would need the extra +5% MDT since their max hp is fairly high.

Scherzo/EA are applied after MDT/PDT, so do whatever it takes to increase the damage over 75%.

Less than 3 weeks isn't a 'long time' especially when you haven't fought this mob yet! What's the deal with this guy? We're working on Jeuno mobs right now but having to get people caught up on other paths too...

[Fereydoon]

Seriously lol? It's been a well-known tactic for a long time now. I've had my LS click off shell on many fights. I suppose SAM would need the extra +5% MDT since their max hp is fairly high.

Scherzo/EA are applied after MDT/PDT, so do whatever it takes to increase the damage over 75%.

Less than 3 weeks isn't a 'long time' especially when you haven't fought this mob yet! What's the deal with this guy? We're working on Jeuno mobs right now but having to get people caught up on other paths too...

I'm assuming he meant in general, not just on this particular NM. Hence the 'many fights' part. So it could potentially have been a tactic since EA/Scherzo were out.

[Byrthnoth]

It has actually been discussed on BG before a few times. It's the best available form of damage reduction at the moment, but requires two support jobs that you don't bring to anywhere but Voidwatch. It's most useful just for spamming Tier 3 NMs.

[vagus]

Fuckin SE and there bullcrap. Did zilart T1 and later found out i didn't get credit for a few NM's because i didn't activate the warp quest for zilart. I assumed having Ashen Stratum after talking to the NPC in Norg was enough. So make sure you talk to the NPC in Kazham & Rabao then talk to the npc for the stratum before you start on Zilart.

[Kaisha]

Well, Kieran DOES say to speak with the VW representatives for the Zepwell/Elshimo regions.

The zone warps for the regions are not accessible until you do talk to them also.

[Atoreis]

Fuckin SE and there bullcrap. Did zilart T1 and later found out i didn't get credit for a few NM's because i didn't activate the warp quest for zilart. I assumed having Ashen Stratum after talking to the NPC in Norg was enough. So make sure you talk to the NPC in Kazham & Rabao then talk to the npc for the stratum before you start on Zilart.

Its not SE bullcrap but your personal fail that your cant read in game and/or when watching this you only see pictures

[Arthars]

Fuckin SE and there bullcrap. Did zilart T1 and later found out i didn't get credit for a few NM's because i didn't activate the warp quest for zilart. I assumed having Ashen Stratum after talking to the NPC in Norg was enough. So make sure you talk to the NPC in Kazham & Rabao then talk to the npc for the stratum before you start on Zilart.

Well if u r the minority ( in this case only u) that means u failed

[Atoreis]

Haha, Arthars probably cant even see we agreed lol He would be disappointed

[IronPandemonium]

scherzo discussion aside, page prior, what's this debate about sam/mnk/drk tanking

i've been manhandling kaggen/uptala/qilin as war/sam with -physical/-magical sets accordingly with fanatic's/fool's down, and - while not the easiest task by any means as far as pil/aello go without scherzo - the rest of them too, for what it's worth; won't even mention akvan since he's such a joke obviously

granted, i'm also backed by reliable players, but still, i read over that entire page and it gave me the impression that some of you guys believe currently that tanking these is difficult <_> lol

[Slycer]

May have been (probably was) pointed out earlier in the thread, but anyone else notice the not-so-subtle allusion to the next set of Voidwatch involving Aht Urhgan in the final Zilart cutscene?

[vagus]

Indeed it is my own fail.

With fanatics drinks a DD can tank anything in VW, but how sustainable is it? Our pld usually spams WS & hate abilities during red trigger to help during blitz. Not very difficult for a War or Mnk to pull hate during a red trigger.

[macross]

I tanked Pil with war/sam, had a few close calls cause peeps dont erase my def or mdf down debufs. We had 2 plds but they not gonna hold hate when your'e spamming ukkos. I usually die but fug it i just full timed damage down stuff and lived. Dead = 0 dps.

[Kegsay]

Realistically, how far can 4 people (WHM/SAM/BLU/NIN - all with Empys) go in Voidwatch? Part 1 up to but not including Hahava/Celaeno/Voidwrought? More? Do temp items make it easier or are they nice but not strategically useful? How about atmacite?

[macross]

It's all about the temps, and staggering to refil temps. Fanatics and fools play a big part in winning, as well as mp drinks.

Go into abyssea and don't get any buffs/atma and try killing some NM's, it will be like that. 4 people though, doubt you'd get far. You'd run out of mp long before you could kill the monster. It's not abyssea where you can evade evade evade and use shadows. All VW monsters spam aoe tp and aoe magic. 1 whm won't be able to keep more than one melee alive I'd bet.

The atmacites are very minor, but the stuff like regain helps when triggering.

[Slycer]

The atmacites are very minor, but the stuff like regain helps when triggering.

It depends on the job. Coercion and Discipline are a hugely powerful combo for a job like RNG. If you're keeping Monarch's Drink up full time (5/tick regain total), two quick R.atks (or one Double Shot r.atk) gives you enough TP for another WS (40-45 return off WS). It's pretty crazy.

Dusty Wings are also amazing for keeping stage 3 aftermath active without having to accumulate all that TP through attack rounds, but that's another story.

[Delain]

So my LS is starting Zilart branch. I have kept up with the thread, but I just want confirmation. We have a wide range of jobs with plenty of emp coverage, had little to no trouble with chapter 1.

For T1 Zilart, it appears you want to hold the adds with a solid PLD (or NIN in a couple cases), and just kill the main NM. A group of SMNs, BLMs, and CORs will rape them. The only one that will cause major issues will be the cactaur with its BS needle moves. I intend to just zerg the thing to hell and be done with it.

I am not overly concerned with drops, and KIs will be fine since with all magic procs we should cap white easy enough to get the two temp item KIs. I am purely working us up to start farming plates. Will this basic strategy work for all T1s, or are there issues I am not seeing?