Voidwatch Discussion

[Mahoro]

As much as being random is annoying, its better then having to go back big LS systems where who has the most points, gets the most gear IE: LS leaders and sacks.

No. It's really not. Random is far, far worse when someone's mule gets a rare/ex body or a glowy weapon. The other night, our career NIN got a Coruscanti....

Only system someone said that I agreed with is getting "points" for each time you clear then trading in the points to get the item you want.

The game has to small of a player base to go back to the big shell system we had for years. Also, with the limited amount of people, we would be back to where we were before, having to stay in an unfavorable shell in order to hopefully get what you want eventually.

It could just be my server, but most "LS based Voidwatch" groups arent even that good and have had much better success through other means.

There are plenty of players still around for a "big shell system." The thing is, Abyssea forced everyone to splinter off into lowman groups, so that's not readily apparent. Admittedly I'm not familiar with your server, but not all DKPLS are skewed toward leaders and sacks. There are fair ones where everyone has the opportunity to earn points at the exact same rate. I don't know of a single person in my DKPLS who likes the current VW loot system. They would rather have drops based off their points so at least they can feel that loot is within their control.

[Rehn]

For the zilart path of vw, what do the messages mean when you defeat the adds? Something like 2-chain, with my group having no idea what they mean.

[takito09]

Maybe someone asked this before.. But in the Jeuno areas.. Do you always have at least once each battle xbox users freeze ?
I've seen this a lot ... every time at least 3 or 4 ppl with xbox frozen.

[Radec]

For the zilart path of vw, what do the messages mean when you defeat the adds? Something like 2-chain, with my group having no idea what they mean.

Staggers give a larger bonus for a short time after you kill off add(s). It's not huge, but if you're at 100/350 blue with a 100% stagger HQ JA and everything else tied up in reds, it's a way to cap out in 1 proc.

[Raffi_XI]

I think I saw from each add kill it added an extra 10% Light boost on a NQ proc for the time. Is it a % boost or flat rate boost? Never really paid too much attention.

On a side note, I've always wondered this: does capping blue lights increase chance at better drops? I know blue is more drop slots (6 max i think). What I'm asking is, does each of those drop slots have a chance at rewarding a rare drop? Or is it just the first? Can max blue lights turn my petrified logs and darksteel ores into heavy metal plates and rare items? Has anyone ever gotten 2 rare items in one chest?

[Slycer]

Don't know about the lights, never paid much attention either, but it can give a significant boost (like briefly up to double if you have all the adds dead).

Re: side note, I don't think anyone knows for sure whether cappign blue lights increases your chance at better drops. If I was guessing, I'd assume yes, but that's just a guess. You'd have to do a significant amount of battles with uncapped blue lights to have any real idea of whether it did or not, and that doesn't sound like something anyone would want to test.

[jamesfk]

Re: side note, I don't think anyone knows for sure whether cappign blue lights increases your chance at better drops. If I was guessing, I'd assume yes, but that's just a guess. You'd have to do a significant amount of battles with uncapped blue lights to have any real idea of whether it did or not, and that doesn't sound like something anyone would want to test.

Ive assumed that the top slot is reserved for the rare drops so ive been skimping on cells a few times and dropping cobalt on fights I cant use the bodies/weapons. I did get a pouch last time with only 4 slots if that means anything. I guess a good way to tell is if anyone has gotten the super rare items with less then full slots open .Even though the good items drop in the first slot maybe you do need all 6 slots open to even get a shot and the bodies/weapons.
4+ slots for non rare gear
5+ slots for semi rare
all 6 for super rare
on top of red lights?
seems far fetched but who knows, if ppl can get the top tier items with out using blue cells that would save alot of cruor.

[Slycer]

Yeah, but maybe that's just the order they come up in the crate. Like maybe it just loads your pool, and that one rare or mob-specific item just gets sorted to the top. This is what I've assumed in the past, but I don't really know. Someone getting super rare item with four slots open wouldn't really prove anything other than that you can get super rare without blue capped (which I'm sure is possible and likely has already been proven). It's still possible that having more slots open effectively increases the drop rate by giving you more chances at the item.

[Mahoro]

I've seen strats for Kaggen, but anybody have a specific setup they like to use? Mostly ranged dmg/BLM/melee proccers/tank/WHM?

[Karbuncle]

As for TH affecting drops other than lights, we rarely have a thf in ally (maybe once every 80 fights). Collectively we have gotten just about every drop cept 2 HQ weapons. We have an average of 15 characters per run and do 4 of each fight we are at. Out of the 60~ chests we consistently net 0-1 Super Rare item (HQ bodies, NQ weapon, HQ weapon), 3-4 rare items (metal pouch, rare non body/weapon drops), and 12-16 lesser rare items. We haven't noticed any significant increase when we do have a thf in the ally. Just make sure you trade those cells and max all lights.

This is my suspicion as well. But it gets me to go on THF, and THF is my favorite job... So i won't complain about it. Franky I'm only asking because someone started Freaking-out/E-thuggin' out at me that i didn't upgrade TH To at least 10 or higher, To which i thought "We cap all of our lights why does it matter?".

After which I was then informed they believe TH Effects drops from chest as well, not just lights, So they wanted me to try and upgrade TH As much as possible. So I did from that fight on, and decided I'd test this myself. Either way, I'm going to continue these tests. If i can get anything substantial i think it would help THF's situation in Voidwatch, Which i am thrilled to do.

Was kinda just hoping there was some foundation to this claim.

[Deader2818]

You know, If you dont want to see peoples mules getting drops, stop bringing mules?

[NynJa]

In which case you're bringing 10 instead of 18 and reducing your chance at weaknesses by roughly 40% meaning you have even LESS chance at drops, wonderful idea.

[Deader2818]

Nah, I bring actual players since them getting drops at random doesn't affect me in any way.

[Counterfeit]

Maybe someone asked this before.. But in the Jeuno areas.. Do you always have at least once each battle xbox users freeze ?
I've seen this a lot ... every time at least 3 or 4 ppl with xbox frozen.

I freeze a lot but it just isn't specific for Jeuno areas, all VW does it to me

[Kaisha]

Staggers give a larger bonus for a short time after you kill off add(s). It's not huge, but if you're at 100/350 blue with a 100% stagger HQ JA and everything else tied up in reds, it's a way to cap out in 1 proc.

I do hope your group times JA HQs during enemy casting/TPing....


Highest chain my LS ever got on adds was 12, and that was only because someone accidentally fucked up our supertank somehow so we were forced to deal with them. The bonus would be worth something if the effect didn't wear faster than a normal XP chain.

Maybe someone asked this before.. But in the Jeuno areas.. Do you always have at least once each battle xbox users freeze ?
I've seen this a lot ... every time at least 3 or 4 ppl with xbox frozen.

Our sole 360 user freezes at least once a run (9-12 kills). And it's almost always before the mob is dead also, so I can't tell if a !! effect is causing the crash, or perhaps the alignment information, or what say you.

SE is aware of it though, and for some reason has only asked for help regarding it on the official forum......in the JP section.

Cause the Japanese totally own Xbox 360s......

[Radec]

I do hope your group times JA HQs during enemy casting/TPing....

HQ JA is 220%, last 30% comes from chain if you can get it.

[Nightfyre]

Nah, I bring actual players since them getting drops at random doesn't affect me in any way.

The whole argument is stupid since you can just replace "mules" with "people who don't have/use those jobs", but maybe some people just want to do shit with certain other people? I only play to do stuff with a handful of people, frankly being able to focus on a small group of friends instead of expanding into a linkshell of ~20 would be ideal to me.

Yeah, but maybe that's just the order they come up in the crate. Like maybe it just loads your pool, and that one rare or mob-specific item just gets sorted to the top. This is what I've assumed in the past, but I don't really know. Someone getting super rare item with four slots open wouldn't really prove anything other than that you can get super rare without blue capped (which I'm sure is possible and likely has already been proven). It's still possible that having more slots open effectively increases the drop rate by giving you more chances at the item.

Can definitely get bodies with uncapped blue. My guess would be that there's a slot for rare drops and you get a chance at having that slot load in your chest for every available slot, with red increasing the chance of success per roll.

[Deader2818]

Yeah, I still have my small group of friends for things like Dyna, Limbus, Abyssea, etc. but I do VW with 18 people (no mules) without having to expand my LS to 20.

Everyone doesnt have to be in the same LS in order to get things done.

[Nightfyre]

That still leads to doing an event several times a week with people you wouldn't otherwise do anything with, which defeats/misses the point.

[Deader2818]

Not really. They come. They get things they want. I get things I want. If it drops to them great.

Why does it matter really? I've gotten some nice stuff from VW doing it this way.

Basically, I team up with another friends LS and then we fill in the past few spots (usually 3-4) with other people who are in LS that dont do voidwatch but like to do it. It works out really nicely.