Voidwatch Discussion

[Lyramion]

Was interested in seeing strategies for Qilin, seeing as how I just got the t3 access. I've read all the strategies on here but confused on a couple of parts. Joined one pick up that zerged so fast that they slowed down to get max lights and wipe and been with a different alliance that killed babies and couldn't even zerg down Qilin before timeout. All the strats on this thread seem to be in agreement that it's better to just hold the babies off to the side but the vw parties that I've joined, if they used that strategy, babies just raped the pld and/or nins and then went to slaughter the rest of us. So, what do you guys normally do? One ochain/aegis pld hold all babies? Kite? Kill a couple of the babies and have a tank hold a couple? Any help would be appreciated since I'm currently on 0/17 in pick ups...

Zerg it.

A) You need 2PTs of DDs. Support them with 1WHM 1COR with Tactic/Miser Roll.

B) Your DDs need the fucking TEMP item KIs, if you don´t get to spam fanatics your ppl will start to die from 2500+ deadly holds.

C) Your DDs should have the fucking Voidwrough Atmacite maxed for 20 Save-TP.

D) Third Party is Mages/Triggerwhores. Trigger that shit, get Qilin stunned, refresh TEMPs.


My best guess it that your DDs lack the proper KIs for a good Zerg. If you need some first hand input go to Sky early on a Weekend and watch the JP Pickup shouts chainkill Zerg it down over and over.

[Tachi]

You can adds a Scherzo/EA rotation before pop (via Planar Rift-locking), this lowers the need of continuously replenish Fanatics to survive Deadly Hold/Great Whirlwind. Adds should not be an issue if the Pld has a basic MDT set/Fool's Drinks, multiple Aga/Aja/AMga can hurt otherwise.

[Alkimi]

Once the PLD has claimed the first add, all the ones after that will go after him automatically. Ochain or Aegis plus a WHM can hold adds fine.

If you want to play it safe you could possibly have the DDs /NIN. All Qilin's TP moves are single target and Tail Smash/Tail Swing/Deadly Hold (The 3 most likely to kill you) are all absorbed by shadows.

[Indigo123]

Anyone got a good strategy for Agathos. Weve got aegis95 pld in group so I'm thinking get them to hold and absorb the magic with support. Then use 4-5 smn as main dd.

We tried this once but failed because 2 of our smn got knocked out of arena. is Calamitous Wind stunnable? Could we use earthern armor - sentinels scherzo on DD but with the AOE dispel this may not be reliable. Any other dd good? Im guessing ranged dd are best

[Lyramion]

Anyone got a good strategy for Agathos. Weve got aegis95 pld in group so I'm thinking get them to hold and absorb the magic with support. Then use 4-5 smn as main dd.

We tried this once but failed because 2 of our smn got knocked out of arena. is Calamitous Wind stunnable? Could we use earthern armor - sentinels scherzo on DD but with the AOE dispel this may not be reliable. Any other dd good? Im guessing ranged dd are best

Calamitous Wind is stunable but it´s also 20" Range so even ranged DDs can have trouble. SMNs are okish (800 Heavenly), Mob is big enough that you can do everything to the mob from around 21".

While he will use knockback, he will not walk around while doing so like Turtul does. So get into a better position where a knockback doesn´t push people out. Pull it a lil to the side and position everyone towards the vortex.


You can carefully DD it with normal DDs but basically you want 1 WHM watching 1 DD to instantly reshell and remove HP down.


As far as I remember these mobtypes also have a hatereset throatstab Type move, so 1 Tank won´t be enough.

[Alkimi]

5 or 6 summoners can take him down in decent time with Garuda/Predator Claws spam if your're just going for clear. PC was doing anywhere up to 3k+ for us with COR buffs. Pretty much the same strat as people use for WoE Flux 9.

[damet]

Has anyone noticed Qilin summoning while staggered? Happened to us a few times last night. Is that a glitch?

[Kaisha]

Mobs have always been able to summon regardless of their current status.

[damet]

Oh hmmm did not know that. Thanks

[Nightfyre]

beaten

[AzazaelFenrir]

Mobs have always been able to summon regardless of their current status.

Bosses can mobs can't. Go to any dyna, silence the summoners kill the avatar then laugh when it uses AF and has no avatar out.

[Foldypaws]

Bosses can mobs can't. Go to any dyna, silence the summoners kill the avatar then laugh when it uses AF and has no avatar out.

Yes, mobs can. Go to sky, sleep a detector, watch it still pop out dolls.

[Fwahm]

Bosses can mobs can't. Go to any dyna, silence the summoners kill the avatar then laugh when it uses AF and has no avatar out.

Different type of summon. You're talking about Summoner summon, while they're talking about "mob is coded to pop another mob" type of summon.

[Rehn]

How common is ace's mail from uptala? Is it as equally rare as bodies from jeuno counterparts?

[Deader2818]

I think ace is pretty common. No where near as rare as bodies from jeuno

[ronin sparthos]

How common is ace's mail from uptala? Is it as equally rare as bodies from jeuno counterparts?

Ace's Mail is the uncommon drop off Uptala whereas the glowy bodies are the super-rare drops off Jeuno mobs. We got 4 on a PUG run in 2 kills and of course only one person could actually put it to use.

Uptala's super-rare is the Murasamemaru. Speaking of that, has anyone figured out the hidden effect on that GKT?

[AzazaelFenrir]

Different type of summon. You're talking about Summoner summon, while they're talking about "mob is coded to pop another mob" type of summon.

My bad saw 'summon' assumed summoner.

[coder]

Different type of summon. You're talking about Summoner summon, while they're talking about "mob is coded to pop another mob" type of summon.

Pretty sure SMN Aerns summon while asleep. Beastman SMNs in dynamis have a cooldown before they resummon and won't insta pop an avatar out when they use astral flow even if they aren't silenced, if that is what you were getting at.

[Eldelphia]

During Mellonia's wamoura phase (2nd phase) we're avoid enfeebles/dots etc so that it doesn't exuviate tons of HP back. How paranoid do we need to be about this? We've tried once and timed out at around 20%. I know Ukko's can inflict Slow etc.

[Slycer]

I assume you're talking about Eunomia (Mellonia's the gnat). You definitely want to avoid enfeebles, with just a few enfeebles on I've seen it heal itself for 18,000 HP. It's probably worthwhile to do something like Ukko's since it's going to make a huge difference in that WAR's damage output to not use it, but forego the Bio II, Viper Bite, etc., when you're going for procs so you don't add any more enfeebles than you need to.