Voidwatch Discussion

[Kryton]

Once you receive White Stratum Abyssite VI, you can pop the 3 NMs in the past (Grauberg, Fort and Vunkerl). You can also pop the 2 NMs in Buburimu and Valkurm. I popped the one at Buburimu at rift i-9 (close to Mhura) and it was a flan king named Botolus Rex.

Pics

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Valkurm Dunes is Ig-Alima, rift at F-8 close to Selbina. This guy has high regain (fan drink and no engage but spams TP often). It has a choice of double attack like a MNK or single attack. If it uses single attack, it will have en-stun. And it casts ice type spells from what I have seen and ice spikes.

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[Eldelphia]

Do you need Jeuno complete for the bubu/valk ones? I'm 2/3 on wins for T3 Zilart (need Uptala) and 1/3 on Jeuno T3 wins (beaten Pil but didn't have crystal then). Least we have Kaggen and Pil planned for asap.

[Kryton]

Yes, you need all Jeuno tier 3 clears in order to receive the CSs to obtain White Stratum Abyssite IV.

Bubu / VD and past zones are White Stratum VI, so you also need to clear IV and V and receive their respective CSs as well.

[Eldelphia]

Yes, you need all Jeuno tier 3 clears in order to receive the CSs to obtain White Stratum Abyssite IV.

Bubu / VD and past zones are White Stratum VI, so you also need to clear IV and V and receive their respective CSs as well.

Aha, sorry didn't pick up that Bubu/Valk were VI - thanks for the clarification

[Atoreis]

/sigh

The odds of a particular outcome of a random event do NOT change as the event is repeated, unless used outcomes are removed from the pool of possible outcomes(which in NM drops, it is not). You have a 5%(random guess) chance on the first kill, and a 5% chance on the 1,000,000th kill, regardless of how many times it has or hasn't dropped already. Bet you're the guy that spends his life savings in the casino because "I've already lost so much, I'm bound to win next roll"

Hmmm

When you look of probability on net Kaggen its the same yeah but if you look at it as more probability to roll 66 out of 100 numbers when I try 100 times for it then probability is higher than when trying once.

Its like testing 1%QA rate. On every next round probability to have it proc is the same but statistically you should get one in 100 rounds and the same is with Kaggen belt. I cant improve my chance on next kill but statistically I have more chance when trying for it after 70 fails. Idk how to better explain it.

[Flight_93]

Hmmm

I cant improve my chance on next kill but statistically I have more chance when trying for it after 70 fails. Idk how to better explain it.

Statistics, how do they work? Just, no.

Flip a coin 70 times landing heads each time- you're still "50/50" the next toss.

[Atoreis]

Statistics, how do they work? Just, no.

Flip a coin 70 times landing heads each time- you're still "50/50" the next toss.

Yes because you only check probability for next throw when I am talking about probability of getting something in the amount of tries. If you want to throw head in 100 tries and start trying the probability of getting it wit each tries in remaining tries will raise after every fail but probability of next throw wont.

[nivlakian]

Yes because you only check probability for next throw when I am talking about probability of getting something in the amount of tries. If you want to throw head in 100 tries and start trying the probability of getting it wit each tries in remaining tries will raise after every fail but probability of next throw wont.

I think these apply to what they are trying to explain to you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages

[Foldypaws]

Statistics, how do they work? Just, no.

Flip a coin 70 times landing heads each time- you're still "50/50" the next toss.

Well, really what you have after 70 heads in a row is a strong reason to suspect the coin isn't fair.

At which point betting on tails the next time is really stupid, not just naive. A smart person would bet heads.


But yeah, someone fighting the NM for the 101st time is just as likely to have to fight it 200 total times to get the body as someone who's never fought it is to have to fight 100 times.

[Slycer]

There wasn't really anything wrong in Ato's post until the very last thing he said (more chance after 70 fails, which isn't true). I think he just meant that the probability of getting the body is higher if you try 100 times than if you try once, which is pretty obviously true. If you try 100 times and the drop rate is 1% per individual attempt, you'd have, overall, about 63.4% chance of getting the body. Still 1% on each individual attempt, of course.

[Tardevil]

Just did Jeuno T4s.

H-8 Ronfaure drops: Athos boots, Blithe Mantle
didn't get much info on this NM

J-10 Gustaberg drops: Rubeus Boots, Sheltered Ring
liked using norn arrows and lethe arrows. stun lands.

G-11 Saruta drops: Witful Belt
Uses chainspell and Exponential Burst, draws in hate target

Edit: forgot to add, riftsand dropped from all of them
Edit2: also forgot rift positions

I have a couple of questions after reading this. First, how's the difficulty on the T4s? Assuming by the quick mentions of a couple of moves, it appears that it was fairly easy mobs, no? Second, did anyone happen to get any plates in their pools? Just curious but I was always thinking that when they made it to 1,500 for 95, maybe SE was going to add it to everything above the T3 and it wouldn't be as bad.

[Mahoro]

I have a question about the Periapt of Clarity, new KI. There was a report awhile ago on test server that buying that KI would "mess up" hints such that you don't get element reads anymore, just "black magic" or "blue magic." Is this true, because it is actually worse to have that KI if so.

Have people been getting elemental reads AND specific magic-type reads?

[Khiinroye]

It is fixed, and extremely nice now.

[Kaisha]

It is fixed, and extremely nice now.

That's awesome news. Means I won't have to cherrypick the log apart to see who was slacking on checking magic triggers.

So T4/5 NMs are just normal affair? I was kinda hoping they'd be an extension of the difficulty of the NMs we saw last chapter.

[Septimus]

Well, really what you have after 70 heads in a row is a strong reason to suspect the coin isn't fair.

At which point betting on tails the next time is really stupid, not just naive. A smart person would bet heads.


But yeah, someone fighting the NM for the 101st time is just as likely to have to fight it 200 total times to get the body as someone who's never fought it is to have to fight 100 times.

You beat me to it. If a coin comes up heads 70 times, check it to make sure it isn't double-sided.

[Zubuis]

How is periapt of Clarity obtained?

[Exoda]

How is periapt of Clarity obtained?

voidwatch officer for 50k

[Taint]

Gaunab dropped Stoetebeker (COR gun) and Ogrie breeches (att20,acc20,pdt-5,WS damage up)


Kalasutrax is boss....very high PDT and MDT and 5 second doom.

[EjinCaitsith]

Just killed Ig-Alima x4. Dropped Heavy metal, Riftdross, Hoarfrost blade, Ogier's surcoat, Wroth scythe, Dhampyr sword, and lots of scrolls.

[6souls]

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Brego Gloves off of Lancing Lamorak for 3rd drop