Voidwatch Discussion

[Diomer]

So, how'd you manage to drop the PDT shield?

I'm guessing it was right at the start of the fight before it used stance; obviously that damage is expected when the PDT shield isn't up. We had a good 5 minutes+ or so left with Kalasutrax using the SC and MB strat along with procs (We had like 7? BLMs in total, 1 COR with Wildfire, 1 COR without) so I'd say that strat is pretty solid and doesn't skimp on all magic procs.

[MeldityofGilgamesh]

Well if you want a quick fight you can have someone good enough to stun the stance and zerg/trigger it from there(good luck without 3rd party). Then you wouldn't have to worry about -50pdt and the fight would be over in a few minutes. He spams the shit out of stance though for some reason.

[Prothescar]

It's far more than -50% PDT, and while it could be linked to the stance, it isn't completely aligned with it. The PDT comes after the stance is actually activated. (Raksha is MDT naturally anyways)

He spams the stance as it's his only possible ability unless the stance is active. Other Raksha abilities require the stance to be able to be used. Yama's Judgment may be independent of this, however.

[MeldityofGilgamesh]

It's far more than -50% PDT, and while it could be linked to the stance, it isn't completely aligned with it. The PDT comes after the stance is actually activated. (Raksha is MDT naturally)

He spams the stance as it's his only possible ability unless the stance is active. Other Raksha abilities require the stance to be able to be used. Yama's Judgment may be independent of this, however.

We've noticed this and mnk was able to do more damage for some reason compared to other melee so we thought Banish 3 would take away from defense properties(like skeletons are resistant to piercing) but i wasn't able to see if that actually worked or not. Personally it didn't seem like it did anything for me but I duno for sure really.

[Atoreis]

Its not with PDT down I just had all buffs and it was highest spike I did. I did a lot of 2000 and a lot below 1k with all buffs down because it dispels buffs like mad with stance.

[Lyltia]

Do you realize how much actual damage before reduction you'd have to be doing to get that kind of number, based on what the rest of us are seeing?

[Prothescar]

Highly unlikely that that was with PDT down. Every DD in my LS, every one of them with a relic or emp and as close to perfect gear as you can possibly get from 95 with some new pieces sprinkled in, was not hitting for nearly that much with the PDT shield up. I call bullshit.

For you to be hitting over 3,000 damage with the PDT, you'd have to be hitting at minimum 6k+ with the more reasonable number being over 30,000 damage.

[Atoreis]

Do you realize how much actual damage before reduction you'd have to be doing to get that kind of number, based on what the rest of us are seeing?

All I saw was 100-400 drakesbane which is normal since its -33% piercing and drakes -att and buffs up/down and mob high def.

I wish I have parsed that fight :/

If its really have some secret PDT with stance on top of its normal PDT it almost never used it for us because with full buffs I was hitting between 1-2k whole fight. Only time it was below it was with almost everything down then I was hitting for like 100-500 sometimes. Worth to note my skill is gimped by like 40-50 and those very low numbers could have been accuracy issues not PDT at all.

[Prothescar]

...are you using Drakesbane's -attack as a reason for it to be hitting for 100-400 damage on a Voidwatch NM when, previous to common knowledge of Drakesbane having an attack penalty, Drakesbane was fine? Knowledge on the penalty doesn't instantly make the weaponskill weaker than it was before everyone noticed the note on the Gobli page. 100-400 damage from Drakesbane is not normal, even considering lack of buffs, nor are 100-400 damage Jishnu's Radiance, Ukko's Fury, Tachi: Shoha, Tachi: Fudo, Metatron Torment, or Catastrophies.

Several counts of Cornoach as well. All under 400 damage, more often than not, less. Melee and Ranged attacks going from 30~250 (1h, 2h, ranged, crits) to 20~80. Rangers were not getting hit by Dispel, most melee were not either as they only went in to weaponskill.

[Atoreis]

...are you using Drakesbane's -attack as a reason for it to be hitting for 100-400 damage on a Voidwatch NM when, previous to common knowledge of Drakesbane having an attack penalty, Drakesbane was fine? You're covering your tracks. 100-400 damage from Drakesbane is not normal, even considering lack of buffs, nor are 100-400 damage Jishnu's Radiance, Ukko's Fury, Tachi: Shoha, Tachi: Fudo, Metatron Torment, or Catastrophies.

Several counts of Cornoach as well. All under 400 damage, more often than not, less. Melee and Ranged attacks going from 60~150 to 20~50. Rangers were not getting hit by Dispel, most melee were not either as they only went in to weaponskill.

Its skeleton it has -25%slashing -33% piercing and +25%blunt. Torment is lol, fudo is lol, Cata is lol. Drakesbane was hitting 1000+ on qilin from what I know and it has no piercing resistance and lower def.
Cata without last resort is doing ~900 on Qilin.

Im doing Ig-alima now. Vsmite wit whole buffs is doing 2000+. With no buffs its doing 100-300. You underestimate lack of buffs.

[Lyltia]

Well if it's as you say Atoreis, your group was doing something right; if you can reproduce that kind of performance I'd be very interested in some logs to see if we can't figure out what's causing the shield to go up and down, as it most certainly does exist.

[Prothescar]

Read the end of the post. Most of the melee had buffs, and the RNGs most certainly all had buffs. Melee damage, with buffs, is also accounted for. More than one person in this thread is reporting a significant reduction in physical damage on this monster at a certain point. Your Ukko's Fury is Slashing damage, you just said yourself that it receives a 25% decrease to slashing damage, a mere 8% behind the 33% decrease to piercing which would not cause such a monumental decrease in damage, however that is possibly irrelevant, Naraka are not Skeletons. I will not deny a possible decrease in certain types of physical damage, but proof? They certainly do not take bonus damage from Blunt.

[Atoreis]

They have same resistance as skeleton. Proof for me are Ragni's Coronach on uptala compering to other T3.

[Darkmagi]

Yes piercing blows on those mobs, and blunt destroys them. Was easily the top DD on mnk while fighting uptala in the past.

[Aumaan_Kujata]

There seems to be a pretty clear pattern of ra/ex drops (rubeus ogier athos armor, ex weapons) on the new voidwatch mobs: one pair of boots on each tier4, one pair of gloves on each tier5, a head and pants on each of the three "main" tier6s, a body and two ex weapons on each of the two other tier6s. That leaves out the rubeus body and four other ex weapons, two of them the sparkly weapons. Probably the two sparklers on the dunes/bubu dudes, since they drop the lesser versions of those two weapons, and the rubeus body, dhampyr sword, and beaivi's scepter on the vunkerl/grauberg/fortKN three? That'd put four drops on every tier6, when we currently know about three drops for each- seems kind of odd that we'd be missing exactly one drop from all five of them, but it makes more sense than the rubeus body being the missing third drop from the tier4 book or in some other system entirely or something... it's still going to ruin some symmetry at tier6, but not quite as outrageously.

[Helel]

Akvan gains -50 pdt while he is casting a spell. Very noticeable with ranged attacks. Perhaps this new hahava guy loses pdt resistance while he is casting? I haven't fought him yet, just an idea.

[Lyramion]

As for Flan, I had people bring up a strat centered around going in with 6x COR lol

[Atoreis]

Akvan gains -50 pdt while he is casting a spell. Very noticeable with ranged attacks. Perhaps this new hahava guy loses pdt resistance while he is casting? I haven't fought him yet, just an idea.

Thats full screen to make it easier to figure out something.
I'm pretty sure my WS was just before stance but damage didnt drop much after it used it.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7338/fullscreeno.jpg

[Deader2818]

You all just don't realize that Atoreis is a god and you all fail in comparison to him.

[Atoreis]

You all just don't realize that Atoreis is a god and you all fail in comparison to him.

I just watched myself in mirror and there is something true in what you just wrote.


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You can try to understand that I post my experience with this mob like other ppl.
If this mob has some PDT on top of it native damage resistance and high def then it wasnt using that a lot for us.
Another thing that can help - JP stunned almost every doom and weakness TP moves.