New or Returning Players Discussion (Or Anything Old FFXI Then Vs. Now)

[Mugmug]

Quit in late 07 / early 08.

I was on Titan, not sure where my character ended up. I think I quit at the start of Wings of The Goddess... I think I'll try to restore my character this week.

I have no clue about how Abyssea works... I heard it's easy to hit level 99 now, and Relics are not hard anymore? Something about Dynamis being easy now, and you can enter every day? lol....

Need to catch up on the past 3 years or so...

[Taim Meich]

Worse soloer than nin or pld I'd think? Also have math to back up pup> nin at DDing? (I just want more reasons to hate pup, fuck pup.)

Vereth 90 PUP vs Kannagi 90 + STR 95 magian NIN, both with pretty much ideal gear, on VW conditions, against Quilin, both subbing WAR, using RCB, Stalwarts, etc, PUP not using maneuvers, NIN with perfect use of Inning (assuming NIN is always on the back) gives NIN with a DPS 10% higher than the PUP. Considering the automaton's damage is being ignored, and that its contribution, even without maneuvers and a buffed master, should be higher than 10% of master + automaton DPS, PUP wins by a little bit.

Reality is much different, as NIN and PUP are busy with many other things besides pure DPS, but in an extreme and theoretical case PUP should be a bit ahead.


Solo is, however, a no-brainer: On top of the already solid damage, PUP has the second best evasion in the game (B rank plus Eva bonus IV) and a built-in curebot + hastebot, having the luxury of choosing sub depending on its needs: /WAR for damage, /NIN for extra protection, or /DNC for more cures, stun, and extra haste (5% on top of the haste spell is a nice buff).

[DiomedesSylph]

...Diomedes did you delete your character?...

Yes deleted everything, canceled, the works.

[Rehn]

Quit in late 07 / early 08.

I was on Titan, not sure where my character ended up. I think I quit at the start of Wings of The Goddess... I think I'll try to restore my character this week.

I have no clue about how Abyssea works... I heard it's easy to hit level 99 now, and Relics are not hard anymore? Something about Dynamis being easy now, and you can enter every day? lol....

Need to catch up on the past 3 years or so...

Dynamis entry resets at JP midnight, and caps out at 2 hours max. 100k/hr is not uncommon these days, with better parties putting out more. Relics aren't hard (just like before), but you do need gil if you want to get your relic done more quickly. Otherwise you can go farm 200 coins or more per day once you get the hang of it.

Abyssea will be overwhelming at first, but you get the hang of it easy as time goes on. Exping has its own mechanics, as do farming NMs for your loot or +1/+2 upgrade items. If you're hardcore and you have friends still playing, you'll get back in incredibly fast.

[kamugi]

Vereth 90 PUP vs Kannagi 90 + STR 95 magian NIN, both with pretty much ideal gear, on VW conditions, against Quilin, both subbing WAR, using RCB, Stalwarts, etc, PUP not using maneuvers, NIN with perfect use of Inning (assuming NIN is always on the back) gives NIN with a DPS 10% higher than the PUP. Considering the automaton's damage is being ignored, and that its contribution, even without maneuvers and a buffed master, should be higher than 10% of master + automaton DPS, PUP wins by a little bit.

Yo, I totally did math for this against qilin, and am not posting it, same as you, but my math says ninja is ahead by 6000% times 12 +15. Whats up now!

But seriously, why are you saying NIN is only ahead by 10%? What exactly are you basing this on?

All I'm seeing is you're a month old and making claims with nothing to back it up, I'm sorry if I missed something.

[Taim Meich]

Yo, I totally did math for this against qilin, and am not posting it, same as you, but my math says ninja is ahead by 6000% times 12 +15. Whats up now!

But seriously, why are you saying NIN is only ahead by 10%? What exactly are you basing this on?

All I'm seeing is you're a month old and making claims with nothing to back it up, I'm sorry if I missed something.

Sarcasm and useless join date arguments aside, here's your math:

NIN:

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http://i41.tinypic.com/mlsgnn.png

PUP:

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http://i43.tinypic.com/205738o.png
http://i43.tinypic.com/9qidmv.png

Second set is the one compared in both.

PUP stuff, given the weapon, is pretty close to perfect, NIN probably can be improved a bit since I'm no NIN but should be very close. Regain roll is not used because it breaks the PUP spreadsheet. In any case, that favors the NIN since its strong point is the TP phase.

[macross]

Uh pup is strong as fuck if your pup is geared and skilled up. Will easily destroy your ninja. I do as much dmg as my sam while farming DC stuff in dynamis. Jus the robot itself has 25% haste, hits for 150-180s, and does 2300 ws almost every time. Rocking athos gear, I have 31% crit rate as well vs the DC mobs. Only thing bad about it is your robot will die often if you dont heal it in vw, since it doenst get fana.

And they dont' delete your char if its been inactive. I quit for over 2 years before and you simply have to reactivate your content ID. You will have to first transfer your acct to the SE acct these days though. And don't need crysta no more, cna just plug in a cc.

[pre]Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg   Absorbed Dmg
thief                   328426    22.47 %      199825           0      128601           0           0          0              0
bst mule                181937    12.45 %      120893           0        5249       55795           0          0              0
Macross                 275160    18.83 %      210884           0       64276           0           0          0              0
GorefangHobs            228091    15.61 %      187251           0       40288           0           0        552              0
Mao                     412685    28.24 %       83903       98246      201838       17130           0      11568              0


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg

Macross                     64276          0     64276    23.36 %     124/0   100.00 %     84/2599   518.35
 - Shijin Spiral            52819          0     52819    82.18 %      33/0   100.00 %    436/2599  1600.58
 - Violent Flourish         11457          0     11457    17.82 %      91/0   100.00 %      84/198   125.90
GorefangHobs                40288          0     40288    17.66 %      68/0   100.00 %    250/1046   592.47
 - Claw Cyclone              8012          0      8012    19.89 %      19/0   100.00 %     250/672   421.68
 - Razor Fang               32276          0     32276    80.11 %      49/0   100.00 %    483/1046   658.69
Mao                        201838          0    201838    48.91 %     104/6    94.55 %    372/2340  1940.75
 - Armor Shatterer         179055          0    179055    88.71 %      78/6    92.86 %   2205/2340  2295.58
 - Barrage Turbine          22783          0     22783    11.29 %      26/0   100.00 %    372/1215   876.27

This is an older parse, didn't have Athos stuff yet, but look at mao's ws dmg. Bst mule was pretty gimp too, is better now with 5/5 ruinator

[loyaltrekie]

So wtf is the useful food nowadays; I'm guessing it's no longer kabobs/sushi/curry? Heard there is a skill up food now as well? Anyone know of a list of up to date food effects; that doesnt consist of clicking through tons of wikipedia links? lol.

[Miraun]

Blood Boon for SMNs...
I can still macro in -BP delay, and then blood boon while the BP goes off?
How does Blood Boon compare to Avatar ACC for physical or Avatar MAB for magical rage BPs?
How would Blood Boon compare to SMN Magic skill for wards?
Is there a SMN magic effective cap on Ward Duration now like there was back at 75?

[Milkster]

I planned on coming back a year ago and asked these questions but that was in a thread that's been locked a long time ago. Where would someone start if they quit before the level cap was increased/Abyssea?

[Apelila]

Very first thing, flag abyssea and to start accumulating stones.

Flag abby. Do all quests to start generating stones, go flag void watch for the same reason.
If possible turn in crests for 75 cap, break to 76, flag 80 cap and break and do it if possible.
Requires 7 stored merit points from 75-85 and kindred crests, you can turn old seals into crests via the NPC Shemo.

Moogle storage NPC - go get all 12 slips that apply for what you have, and enjoy the free inventory space. Also, Mog sack (I forget when that came out). Finish your Gobbie bag quests if you never did up to 80, shits cheap now.

From there, pick your favorite job and if you have friends on ask them to take you cruor farming in abyssea. You won't be able to do much other than help kill, but to get a good traction in abyssea you need cruor to activate all the confluxes, buy the maps, abyssites, and other miscellany. A scar's zone is the best, since you might be able to get some NQ feet (This is a pain in the ass to do later)

Once you have cruor (50k should be plenty for starts) go to a hero's zone (alttep) and buy the Ivory Abyssite of celerity from the NPC. Get the map, and activate all the confluxes. Specifically 8. You'll need to do this for all 9 abyssea zones eventually, it'll take you a good couple of hours but will save you much time in the future. You're going to have to run to all the maws (like WoTG maws) anyway, and you should have time from afforementioned farming. Alternatively you can wait to get the confluxes when you do something in the zone. At the very least get Altep, La Theine, Ulegerund and Atthowa out of the way. Atto is just a pain in the ass to do so its best to have it over and done with.

Also go buy new dynamis glasses, maps.

I'd suggest just getting all the jobs you want to 99, and using perle/aurore as place holders until you can start filling out slots.
They're not THAT bad, they get a bad rep because of the people who fulltime them and are to lazy to take the time to go get better equipment.

[Milkster]

I had RDM BLM RNG BRD SMN PUP at 75 and want to take those to 99 and also COR NIN WHM WAR DRK SCH up there as well. How long should I expect it to take me and do people still xp hardcore as they did when Abyssea first came out?

[Milkster]

Also, how viable is to do a mythic now days? Faster then it was in the past? Or slower than before? I'd like to do Kenkonken, is it still the best PUP weapon?

[Rehn]

I had RDM BLM RNG BRD SMN PUP at 75 and want to take those to 99 and also COR NIN WHM WAR DRK SCH up there as well. How long should I expect it to take me and do people still xp hardcore as they did when Abyssea first came out?

Well, certainly it isn't as booming as it was when level caps started popping up, but if you keep ffxiah.com/shouts up, you can spot when an abyssea party is being started. I usually see a few in the evening CST time, but miles may vary per server. Per job to 99 from 75? I suppose a job per exp session, or maybe 2+ depending on length of the party and how hardcore you are.

Mythic is still a PITA mainly due to alexandrite requirements. If you grind from start to finish on salvage, you may finish in 1 year just for alexandrite. The other stuff are pretty easy now since they are still Lv75 content difficulty.

[Milkster]

They haven't increased the alexandrite drop rate/number per drop?

[Raineer]

I had RDM BLM RNG BRD SMN PUP at 75 and want to take those to 99 and also COR NIN WHM WAR DRK SCH up there as well. How long should I expect it to take me and do people still xp hardcore as they did when Abyssea first came out?

PSA about how to XP/merit in Abyssea for those just coming back. I returned about 3 months ago from a 2 year break. There is a steep learning curve to get everything, but first and foremost you need levels and a base set of gear, which is your AF3+1:

A frog party in Abyssea-Latheine is the best semi-casual XP you will get. For this type of party, there are no quests to flag ("pages" from an NPC), you just simply kill and kill the same mobs over and over. You will get zero (literally) XP for the first 3-4 minutes. This will slowly increase over time as your lights build and the chain gets longer (it's a hidden chain, these mobs are very EP). Cap is roughly 600xp/mob. Don't ever kill a non-frog mob or the hidden chain for the alliance will reset, if you aggro an elemental (Clonid, and you likely will at some point), make sure to CFH on it. Crappy alliances at this camp will get 180-200k/hr. The best I have seen (still a PUG) was 450k/hour.

The other camps (which are not as good), are parties on dolls in Abyssea-Altepa and Buffalo or Raptors in Abyssea-Ulegarand. These camps require pages from an NPC (think oldschool Field Manuals). After every 5 kills you have to go talk to the NPC to turn in one page and grab another. In non-Abyssea zones the pages can auto-repeat, but in Abyssea you have to talk to the NPC. One bonus is that you can get seals which are used for AF3+1 upgrades, though they are random and you can only get 1 per RL hour. A fantastic PUG at these camps may get 250k/hr. I recommend frogs.

I was RDM in my old life, but found out quickly I couldn't get anything done. I leveled MNK to 99 since I had BB items for it. Still found out that, since it wasn't geared, I couldn't get too much done. I then leveled NIN99 and, even with shitty Aurore gear, was able to duo mostly all the seals I needed to get +1 gear for both NIN and MNK. Between those two I can duo most of my +2 seals with a WHM or BLM. It's so easy to get 99's now that I'd recommend anyone who is frustrated with not getting things done, level NIN and you'll find things much easier. Also DNC can solo damn near anything. MNK is also one of the most useful jobs in Abyssea once you gear it up a little if you have a WHM around.

[Guyverarmor]

Starting back up ( again )... SWTOR has become boring to me for the time being and FFXI is using it's seductive call...any particular servers have high active pops ?

[Churchill]

My friend and I are coming back to the game after a ~2 year break and have a lot of questions about appropriate gear sets, atma set ups, ect. I don’t necessarily mean specific stuff like Berserk up/down sets, just the essential sets we need to get started on the following jobs.

What are the standard gear sets, necessary atma set ups and necessary subjobs for:
WHM, BLM/BRD, BLU, WAR, NIN, THF and MNK

If it makes answering these questions any easier, feel free to link to FFXIAH player profiles ect.! Thanks for your responses!

WHM (Non bot): /BLM-RDM-SCH-THF
Atma: Allure / Minikin Monstrosity / Stormbird / Merciless Matriarch
BLM: /RDM-BRD-SCH-WHM
Atma: Lion / Minikin Monstrosity / Beyond / Ultimate / Hells Guardian
BLU: /WAR-RDM-NIN-MNK
Atma: Razed Ruins / Gnarled Horn / Sanguine Scythe / Apocalypse / Minikin Monstrosity / Lion / whatevertheotherlightningoneisfromVunkerlDI
WAR: /SAM
Atma: Razed Ruins / Sanguine Scythe / Apocalypse
THF: /WAR-NIN-DNC
Atma: Razed Ruins / Gnarled Horn / Apocalypse
MNK: /WAR-NIN-DNC
Atma: Razed Ruins / Sanguine Scythe / Apocalypse

Quit in late 07 / early 08.

I was on Titan, not sure where my character ended up. I think I quit at the start of Wings of The Goddess... I think I'll try to restore my character this week.

I have no clue about how Abyssea works... I heard it's easy to hit level 99 now, and Relics are not hard anymore? Something about Dynamis being easy now, and you can enter every day? lol....

Need to catch up on the past 3 years or so...

If the character in your sig is what you're recalling, hopefully you get it back lol.

[Skyylya]

I quit a while back and wanted to restart. I called SE and they said that because of how much time has passed even if I go through the process of notory, they won't be able to restore my character because they don't hold the data that long. Last I played was 07, but my brother used my char for a while after that so it's been a couple years since it was probably deleted.

Anyone have any experience or helpful info on this? I want to play again, not that interested in starting from scratch though.

Thanks,

[bungiefan]

Huh, the account transfer went through and my JP POL ID is now appearing on my NA SquareEnix Account page, but is marked "Unusable". Chat support said it is under investigation, and phone support said nothing appears to be flagged on the account to block me logging in, but I get LM-11 when I log into POL Viewer, and I can't attempt payment on the account. Says I was suspended for Online Manners violation. JP Support said they were attempting the transfer over a month ago, not that they were banning me.

It's back in JP Support's hands for troubleshooting, and I'm limited to email communication with them.