Random Question Thread XXI: You're Not My Random Question Thread Dad

[Radec]

There were some recent discussions regarding MNK, and while I've browsed through those and also BG's history via Google, I've read conflicting reports on recommended atma sets for a few things. Therefore, in an effort to consolidate this advice with current answers, I ask the following:

1. Which atmas are recommended for AOEing mobs for farming purposes with Cataclysm?

2. Which atmas would you use while brewing anything that isn't Dark resistant with Cataclysm?

3. What set of atmas would suit brewing with Flash Nova best?.

Cata Nobrew - Cosmos, Ultimate, Smiting if not using martial staff, if martial then Cosmos, Ultimate, Hell Guardian. If no HG, replace with strongest MAB atma you have if over about +30MAB, otherwise Griffon Claw.

Brew - Cosmos, Smiting, Griffonclaw, with or without martial.

Flash Nova Brew - Beyond, Sellsword, Ultimate.

Edit, /slow:

All right, this does coincide with some of what I'd read (posts dating back to March), so I thank you for the clarification. Cosmos makes sense, considering the Dark+. Would you agree, then, that Ultimate, Smiting and Beyond is fine for Flash Nova? Beyond is already in there, and to the best of my knowledge nothing else provides Light+.

Smiting does nothing for Flash Nova, sellsword is +10 to the affinity term (Beyond being +30). Ultimate is the only other increase unless you have a sch to give you light weather (And then there are several options)

[Haborym]

Because someone did a bad comparison and everyone started parroting it. Without marches, 6 hit -> 5 hit windowmaker is +18% WS damage (assuming sword strap on the 6 hit). You gain 8 double attack, 27 attack, 15 str, and some likely useless dex/acc during tp phase only. And that is assuming you have a perfectly augmented armada hauberk. The 5 hit easily wins unless you actually need the acc. With marches it is closer, but still 5 hit wins.

Then by all means, do a better comparison of the two for us. And explain why the 5-hit wins.

[Kohan]

Smiting does nothing for Flash Nova, sellsword is +10 to the affinity term (Beyond being +30). Ultimate is the only other increase unless you have a sch to give you light weather (And then there are several options)

Thank you for the additional advice and suggestions, it's much appreciated.

Oh, if only I could be on my SCH and MNK at the same time...

With the MNK matters settled, would anyone happen to know what weapon a DRK should currently shoot for? Top of the line stuff.

[Chun Liroy]

And explain why the 5-hit wins.

It would take a lot of lost damage (read, attack str and DA) in TP set to outdo a 5-hit without marches etc.

[Jeryhn]

In the spirit of setting goals for all my jobs, how's this TP set for PLD?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197625

Am I overlooking anything?

[Mercilessturtle]

Then by all means, do a better comparison of the two for us. And explain why the 5-hit wins.

You just quoted why 5 hit wins.

[Skeelo]

atma of the sellsword for flash nova.

edit: oops didnt refersh fast enough

[Maurauc]

Are Angra Mainyu's Pukis' sleepable now? I wouldn't normally ask this, but after a hilarious wipe to him just now, and realising all the adds for previous bosses have been sleepable.. Anyone tried?

[Mojo]

I'm not sure what March has to do with 5 hit vs 6 hit. You're capped Haste in both set ups.

[Haborym]

You gain 8 double attack, 27 attack, 15 str, and some likely useless dex/acc during tp phase only. And that is assuming you have a perfectly augmented armada hauberk. The 5 hit easily wins unless you actually need the acc. With marches it is closer, but still 5 hit wins.

From raw stats you gain 114 attack, 8 double attack, 29 STR, 15 DEX. And you can WS in only brutal and rajas, I'm struggle to see how the sacrifice both in TP and WS phases of the 5-hit would win.

[Mojo]

How are you getting a difference of 114 attack?

[Mercilessturtle]

Higher haste means less gain from dropping a hit. The 120 delay of a WS is static, and as your haste goes up, that makes up a larger and larger portion of your time to WS. Hab: what planet are you on where you are gaining 114 attack? You WS in only brutal + rajas (and rose for 5 hit obviously) in both cases.

[Radec]

In the spirit of setting goals for all my jobs, how's this TP set for PLD?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197625

Am I overlooking anything?

Oneiros Pebble
Speed belt over Goading (and then either completing the Mail Set, or swapping mail to something else entirely)*
I'd think something like Honorbound or Sagasinger would be a stronger offhand.

*I know swapping to Speed+Mail set is only 25% listed haste, but unless you're super buffed I don't see 6/1024 haste beating 14att 5DA.

[Haborym]

This vs this? And with the food difference.

[Jeryhn]

Oneiros Pebble
Speed belt over Goading (and then either completing the Mail Set, or swapping mail to something else entirely)*
I'd think something like Honorbound or Sagasinger would be a stronger offhand.

*I know swapping to Speed+Mail set is only 25% listed haste, but unless you're super buffed I don't see 6/1024 haste beating 14att 5DA.

I'm not sure why you listed Oneiros Pebble, if its one thing PLD doesn't really need, its Accuracy, especially with Enlight available.
As for the offhand, DMG:55, DA+10 would beat DMG:56, STR+15, especially for WS I'd think, though the mathologists would have to decide on that one.

Regarding the Haste amount, I could just drop Excelsis Ring for Blitz, change Zelus to Fazheluo Helm +1 to maintain 25% Haste and the Store TP/Enmity from Goading as well as gain the +5% DA from Fazheluo set bonus. Only real upgrade from this would probably be Ninurta's so I could use Excelsis instead of Blitz.

[Mercilessturtle]

You are comparing restraint up vs restraint down, with the wrong weapon, and randomly choosing to use the wrong food for one.

[Haborym]

I may have got lost somewhere in this conversation then. And no I was comparing restraint down on both, was just to lazy to change the set from my phone.

[Mojo]

In the spirit of setting goals for all my jobs, how's this TP set for PLD?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197625

Am I overlooking anything?

You should consider having Torero Torque around. If you have Auspice +2, you'll be going from 39 > 49 (capped due to truncation) Subtle Blow, which is a huge marginal decrease to mob TP gain from your strikes. I think in most cases definitely worth the 7 attack 6.3 accuracy from Fortitude Torque. Mars Ring also.

[Atoreis]

In the spirit of setting goals for all my jobs, how's this TP set for PLD?
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/197625

Am I overlooking anything?

Is this for abyssea? Because outside this will be better because of massive accuracy gain on body.

Mars instead of blitz outside too.

[Mojo]

Justice Torque. Nice.