Does BlueGartr want more world spawn NM/HNM?

[Julian]

I don't want. As nice of a concept they are, botting ruins it, and time has told us again and again that SE really doesn't give a fuck about people using 3rd-party these days.

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What the heck has the STF been up to the last year anyways?

I imagine they went to the same place that the servers that were removed this update went.

[ronin sparthos]

STF hasn't been doing shit since Vision of Abyssea.

RMT molemen are in Grauberg and Fort Karugo logging/harvesting and don't even waste the keystrokes calling a GM about it.

[NynJa]

If SE wants to reintroduce timed spawns, it should be on a shorter timer (6h) and have a moderate drop rate on its target items heavily influenced by TH (think ram items...shit wont drop without thf, but you'll get plenty of drops with a thf).

[Kilorilo]

They could certainly add measures to counteract boting, but I don't think they'll add old style HNM in the future due to all the people who will complain they have to actually compete for months or more for a specific piece of gear. The majority want easy to obtain Key Item/Item pop NMs with high droprates or modifiable (stupid !! system) rates, and this is completely fine. I probably wouldn't bother with any new world spawns anyways, but I think they should be added.

They should add highly difficult NMs with long repop timers(several days) that can only be engaged by those in the party/ally when its claimed and depop if all those people are dead(or warps you to a BC like SW after x amount of claim time) possibly having min character reqs to keep douches from force depoping them solo, this would discourage a lot of players, making the gear more prestigious.

But I'm someone who doesn't believe all gear should be accessible to every single person who pays a subscription regardless of skill/dedication/playtime/etc.

[Ksandra]

Even if they could completely get rid of botting it would still be a no go for me. As others said camping a mob for 3+ hours only to have someone else claim it .1 second faster than you making that 3 hours a waste is no bueno.


world spawns =/= given shit to good players.



Now I'd be more than happy if they fucking gave us some more challenging fights (not av challenging mind you, fuck that shit), that require a whole alliance to do....vs a nin + thf and a few others running in and out to try and proc shit.

[Michelob]

They should add highly difficult NMs with long repop timers(several days) that can only be engaged by those in the party/ally when its claimed and depop if all those people are dead(or warps you to a BC like SW after x amount of claim time) possibly having min character reqs to keep douches from force depoping them solo, this would discourage a lot of players, making the gear more prestigious.

Did you ever camp Ixion? People would end up claiming solo just to depop it.

[Xaetica]

Not sure if this was mentioned already. But this poll was designed horribly in favor against world spawns.

Three options for it and one option against it splits the votes of those in favor and misrepresents the popularity of those who are against it. And I say this as someone who hates them, just felt it needed to be said.

[NynJa]

The only people who actually enjoy world spawns are:
a-those who has a large group of botters
b-those who seem to think having all the rare gear making you a god-tier player...usually lumped into cat-A.
c-basement dwellers who dont do jack shit and can camp at any time of the day, usually part of cat-A and cat-B.

While most from cat-B are part of cat-A as well, being part of cat-A does not make you part of cat-B, because there are those who will use the bots to not waste their time in the camp, but dont think that because they have an E.Bd theyre automatically god.

[Kaisha]

The only people who actually enjoy world spawns are:
a-those who has a large group of botters
b-those who seem to think having all the rare gear making you a god-tier player...usually lumped into cat-A.
c-basement dwellers who dont do jack shit and can camp at any time of the day, usually part of cat-A and cat-B.

While most from cat-B are part of cat-A as well, being part of cat-A does not make you part of cat-B, because there are those who will use the bots to not waste their time in the camp, but dont think that because they have an E.Bd theyre automatically god.

You forgot

d- Those that fall into group a, and like monopolizing to make the drops actually worth two shits gil-wise.

[Damane]

World spawns - No thanks.

However some hard fights would be nice. But pls not something like AV or PW at lvl 75. not many have so much manpower anymore, to attend such a mob if a lvl 90 version of them would be released. I cant remember the last fight where stun actually mattered, or where good enfeebs/elegy/etc mattered.

[Dooom]

I cant remember the last fight where stun actually mattered

Apademak!

As most people have said, world spawns like old HNMs fucking sucks, even within an MMO they're an absurd time-sink. I chose not to do them in the past because of pisspoor time:reward ratios, and if they came back I'd choose not to do them again.

[kamugi]

I dont want to be forced to join another shitty LS full of bad players simply because they bot the 1 or 2 items I want. No fucking thanks to old style HNMs.

[Benihana]

Not sure if this was mentioned already. But this poll was designed horribly in favor against world spawns.

Three options for it and one option against it splits the votes of those in favor and misrepresents the popularity of those who are against it. And I say this as someone who hates them, just felt it needed to be said.

I don't think the poll is that one sided. the top two are a clear yes for world spawns. The middle is really a neutral answer by saying I wouldn't mind world spawns as long as I don't have to camp them, and the last two options are really a no for world spawns. It's also a bit more complex than just having a yes or no question. Some people want world spawns but don't want them to be the end all of endgame like they use to be. For the no side, some people wouldn't totally be against it, but you also have the people who are dead set against anymore world spawns.

Also, I know people do not want to spend all their time camping and not getting claim. We all know that sucks, but what if they had a world spawn and some sort of bcnm fight that has the same drop but a different name? They have done this already, and the one example to me is Trotter/Strider Boots.

[Michelob]

Also, I know people do not want to spend all their time camping and not getting claim. We all know that sucks, but what if they had a world spawn and some sort of bcnm fight that has the same drop but a different name? They have done this already, and the one example to me is Trotter/Strider Boots.

I feel that this is the proper way to handle things. I think camping is fun but if Dring/Ridill/Abjurations had been added to KS99 loot pools back when kings were implemented then I think a whole lot more people would change their votes to "don't care" rather than "hell no".

[ronin sparthos]

No to world spawns, yes to more HNM battlefields like the Ouryu/Sarameya days of old.

[drwaffles]

World spawns are a nice idea in theory. The only way to stop people from treating them like kings, Tiamat, Cerb and Khim is by making them challenging enough that camping them is pointless (think a roaming PW or 75-cap AV minus some ridiculousness), such that killing them becomes more of an event rather than a competition to claim. Kind of like how it was when only a couple of shells on each server could even hope to take on Fafnir, HQ kings or CoP wyrms. I don't really know how that can be achieved fairly in this day and age, but if it could then I think it would be a good system.

It'll never happen, though, because 95% of the population would baww about it being too hard and thus unfairly cockblocking them from owning a few top-tier items.

[Hercule]

World spawn, yes please, this game need something to made people dreaming about, nowaday i dream about nothing in this game beside relic.
Elite people made other player dream and have a target in game, abyssea and empyrean are something to break the game...

Selling stages of emperyeon weapons will finish any stage in one night. tahrongi emps 40m per stage, other are 20-30m.

This is a joke? 1 night to made an Empyrean when thats needed age to get a relic, and theses empyrean are serious competitor versus Relic?!!
SE realy want kill this game or?
It was even 10X harder to get a single armor part from Salvage than get any of theses new Empyrean weapon...
Stop being gay and want everything easy to get, i'm not an hardcore player at all, but i'm not going to cry because i can't have same items than some elite player have.

About exp pt what the fuck? EXP dont have any value nowaday, and 18ppl exp pt is just bullshit, no one focus, no one care its just a new official " SMN Burn Korroloka Tunnel Party" What can we fucking enjoy in theses party?!!
I realy miss 6 man exp PT.

About HNM I personally miss the feeling you have when you claim an HNM over hundred people for your HLS, this feeling you dont find it nowaday nowhere.
I even miss the HLS war, its a game just dont take it too serious, but it was fun, at that time you was unable to sleep for 1 night if your HLS was accidently turn an HNM yellow and get stolen from another HLS lol

This game fucking realy need to get back on serious buisness and get back challenge in, i fucking want an HNM where the only target is to kill it before he kill you, fuck all theses "!!" trigger shit
What the fuck nowaday we just "play" with HNM they are a "toy", we even dont have any fear about them.... HNM have lost all credibility.

I think if SE continue this way to lv 95 & 99 update, this game will die fast, god mode for everyone, end of story.
Maybe thats what theyr want from us to move on FFXIV...

PS: Sorry for my bad English.

[Eldelphia]

I'd like a new form of world spawn HNM which can pop across a few zones and be absolutely freaking HUGE and that you can gang up on Besieged/Campaign style. Mebbe earn points for kills or w/e. I've always dreamed of an HNM crab the size of a Wyrm stomping around the dunes...

[Gwynplaine]

World spawns are a nice idea in theory.

Something that is bad in practice has to be bad in theory as well, as world spawns are. But that's just a more interesting point than the actual thread subject I guess.

[Lovex]

Maybe Im risking ban hammer but is there anyway SE can really prevent botting aside from DI/SW method What realistic methods can be used to avoid botting? I always thought having the mob pop green or something like an NPC and aggro someone in range, but botting really wasnt huge issue outside kings and "last window timmehs" etc haha. Even if they aggroed to get claim for xx person, i still wouldnt want king method. I always found the hunting aspect more fun.