Combat SP "Base SP" Chart

[Koopa_ITA]

You are right, I wanted to say Peiste not Drake, sry.

[Arximiro]

Hey Kaeko are you still working on this project? I noticed the Ixali section isn't filled out too well. I'd like to see this project continue. ^^

[miokomioko]

Just a note, I'm pretty certain that Ixali give 150 base exp at Lv.40+ (as I don't know of any naturally-occuring Ixali below that level).

[Arximiro]

Yeah all the Ixali I have seen are 150 base. Granted as you said I don't know of any under R40.

[Arximiro]

I talked to Kaeko and his RL is currently too busy to continue this project atm. So I decided to continue it as best I can.

However the model Kaeko used was too hard to find what you were looking for and to slide over to see the value. From my experience I would come to this chart with a mob type in mind already and then go and look to see what SP tier it was. So I decided to make the list Alphabetical for now so you can easily find what you are looking for. I can make another one down the line that sorts by highest SP if people are interested.

Also the whole level separation is quite a hassle. I started out making the chart similar to Kaeko's with 5 level gaps, but realized this doesn't need to be so extreme. We all know the SP tiers rise at higher ranks for those they rise on. The chart is basically there to give us an idea of what is gonna be shitty and what will be good. We don't have to make it so complicated for such a simple use. So for mine I list the known base SP values beside the family. This gives anyone looking an idea of what would be good to SP off and what wouldn't.

I just did A-F for now to see what you guys think. If you like it let me know and I will fill out the rest of the chart.


Thanks

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e43/Ninja-x/A-F.jpg

[Gadritan]

However the model Kaeko used was too hard to find what you were looking for and to slide over to see the value.

No. It wasn't...rofl. Yours is less accurate for no reason. It's important for people to know what the base sp is for specific ranks of the mobs.

As Kaeko pointed out:

thinking that "Base SP" just based on the family of mob, but as it turns out, each mob family has its own base SP progression as they increase in rank. Because of this, I not only had to gather data from each family, but also at various levels until a trend was found. Here are the results so far:

[Arximiro]

Yeah....

If you want to make a chart for every single rank go for it. We all know SP tiers rise on certain monsters after they reach a certain point. If you can just try to use your brain for a few minutes then you will be ok. Almost everyone knows what monsters are worth sping on, this chart is so people can look at all the families and see which ones are worth it and which ones aren't. If you want a chart where you can pinpoint the sp tier of a family down to the exact 5 rank radius then make a chart yourself.

This is a non-tiny writing readable chart that will stay up to date as new monsters are released.

[Gadritan]

If you can just try to use your brain for a few minutes then you will be ok.

It's absolutely fucking hilarious that you would say this after stating that Kaeko's chart was too difficult to read.

Edit: Btw, "non-tiny" is retarded. You can change font sizes. People don't know what that "certain point," is. It differs for each family. If you don't want to do it like that because you just don't feel like putting in the extra effort, that's understandable, but don't sit back and say "that one is hard to read mkay."

[Arximiro]

It's hard to follow the line over on the sections which are grayed out. Also it's out of alphabetical order so finding the particular family you are looking for is a hassle. I really don't know why you have to be this fucking way on every post anyone makes. All I'm doing is trying to help and you want to act like a fucking idiot. I don't know about you but when I see a family has a 50-88 SP value I know I'm not wasting my time SPing on them. If I was to see 100-150 then I would give it a shot.

Maybe I used the chart differently. I would go out exploring and locate a good camp of a certain family of monsters then come to the chart to see what tier of SP they were. That or go to the chart and see which families were a good SP tier and then use YG to locate a good camp for them. If you had read the first post I said Kaeko doesn't have time to continue his chart. That means it's not getting updated again. As you can see if doesn't even have the new raptors and beastmen from 1.18 yet. This chart is just to give people an idea of the SP tiers of families, if you want to spend the better part of your life gathering data from every monster of every rank go for it. It's not needed to locate a suitable SP camp.

[Gadritan]

Also it's out of alphabetical order so finding the particular family you are looking for is a hassle. I really don't know why you have to be this fucking way on every post anyone makes.

rofl. The flow of the chart is from lowest SP to highest, which is what you'd be looking for. It's more logical. It doesn't have new mobs because he quit updating it. Herp. Deh. Derp.

I'm not like this on every post anyone makes. That's ridiculous. You just happen to make a lot of retarded post that I call you out on. Hell, I've ignored quite a few from you, which is precisely what I'm doing henceforth on the subject of these charts since I'm done pointing out your fails.

Carry on good sir~

[Arximiro]

Pieces of shit like you are why people leave Dreadnought for more mature lses.. Go watch some more football you dumb fucker.

[Gadritan]

Once again, my work here is done.

[Arximiro]

Derp

[Grey Jorildyn]

I think the point he is trying to make is that if you're going to take over a project, do it the right way. A comprehensive list of base SP values shouldn't cut corners.

[Gadritan]

Pieces of shit like you are why people leave Dreadnought for more mature lses.. Go watch some more football you dumb fucker.

Derp

Ah yes. Maturity. I see precisely what you mean.

Spoiler: show

Arguing about maturity on some gaming forums. Yep. That just happened.

[Arximiro]

Yes I know the point he was trying to make by acting like a 15 year old. Like I said I decided to make a more readable chart. If you can't decide from looking at the base sp tier ranges of a family if you should SP on them or not you are a fucking idiot. If you want a completely comprehensive chart then make one. Those of us who aren't retarded will know where to go SP by looking at a basic one. Christ on a fucking bike it's not that complicated.

Final Chart for now:

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...-x/SpChart.jpg

Edit: As new monsters are added at different ranks I will try to gather the info. If you have any values please let me know and I will put them in. I still need a base value for Kobold and Imp (if there are any Imps).

@Gad, you started this shit when you used rofl and proceeded with your heavy dose of sarcasm that only you think is funny. You could have simply added your opinion but as usual you chose to act like an asshole. I have no problem sinking down to someone's level to argue with them once they start shit.

[Celeras]

Like I said I decided to make a more readable chart. If you can't decide from looking at the base sp tier ranges of a family if you should SP on them or not you are a fucking idiot. If you want a completely comprehensive chart then make one.

There is one already, and here's whats wrong with yours: There are two camps available for R35 mobs, Antelope and Yarzon. Your chart would suggest they're the same SP, they aren't. At least put a parenthesis or something in there with the rank the SP increases, or a (?30-40?) if you don't know specifically when.

[Arximiro]

There is a great Hippo camp north of Dragonhead to SP at from 25-30. I'll try to incorporate when the SP Tiers change in some fashion.

[Carraway]

I understand the desire to simplify, but at the same time, Kaeko's chart was done in a particular way for a pretty good reason. As for grinding at 25-30, I believe Cel was referring to R35 mobs to grind on while players are at R20-25.

[Arximiro]

If Kaeko gets some more free time and can update his that would be great. I was just trying to make something up to date useful people could look at and get an idea of what to SP off of. It may not be able to tell you what is exactly the best to SP off of at a certain rank, but it tells you what you want to avoid and what you should look into.

If I could get a copy of Kaeko's Excel file for his I would update it with all the SP values I have came across that aren't on there.