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  1. #841
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirai View Post
    This, just this.

    [edit because I don't want to make another post this short after and not leave just a useless +1 above]


    The thing with whm is that it can even be done well naked unlike almost every other job in the game.
    A gimp DD has a huge influence on the performance of the entire group on all fronts, a gimply geared whm only cures for less HP, adds less resistance to bar-spells, yada yada, etc. etc. but overall doesn't hurt the group's performance that much as long as they keep the group alive, hasted and free from detrimental status effects.

    I agree with the gimp is gimp, but when it comes to healers I think most of us tend to be very forgiving unless they are real fuckups.
    Most whm images I've seen posted here had some fun stories attached to them and were more personal encounters instead of your standard "Purple mob" or "that other Linkshell".
    I'm going to disagree on the naked part. I have nearly run myself out of MP that way, but it had more to do with not having +2 legs than anything else (grabbed a yellow Sedna while trioing for exp, didn't have time to grab all of my gear from the porter while the others held it with their loljobs). BLMs don't end up here for using HQ staves when they should be using magians, either, and I do believe they've been known to do damage from time to time.

    Surya's +2 for cure potency is a week of work tops and more useful than a 3rd or 4th empyrean weapon. Is it ok to cap on haste if you're including Wyrm Mail +1? Why is it ok to cap cure potency using shitty ring + shitty atma when those slots can be used for MND? You're free to feel however you want, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of harping on a guy for his Brown Belt when you've got WHMs running around with supergimp cure potency sets. But it's ok, they're just a mule.

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    I think it's more to do with that a melee's performance is more determined by their gear than a healers is, which is more down to your reactions and decision making. It does say something about the XI community, though quite what that something is I'm not sure; probably that different classes are judged differently. I would say, however, that chewing out every whm you meet for not having perfect gear would make for interesting times, given that most people already don't like the job because they normally get blamed when people die, so adding on another layer of social pressure doesn't strike me as the smartest thing that could be done to an already scarce group of people. And really, if they're not making you wipe and fights are going smoothly, does it matter that much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymmina View Post

    Surya's +2 for cure potency is a week of work tops
    Did my mule's Surya in 16 hours or so, with Bottled Pixie taking like 8 hours >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurara View Post
    holy shit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymmina View Post
    Why is it ok to cap cure potency using shitty ring + shitty atma when those slots can be used for MND? You're free to feel however you want, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of harping on a guy for his Brown Belt when you've got WHMs running around with supergimp cure potency sets. But it's ok, they're just a mule.
    While I am not disagreeing with you regarding the double standards, my main point is that a gimply geared whm has less of a negative effect on group effort then a gimply geared damage dealer.

    Some folks on here do hold the bar pretty high though, where most of the time the person posting it doesn't even come close to reaching that same bar.
    I also personally cringe at the pics of people posting characters that can arguably get better items for some slots that aren't necesarilly gimp.

    It's people like the one Aurara just posted that I personally consider truly gimp/retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurara View Post
    Didn't even look at the gear, stopped at Cladstrife, /headdesk'd and hope to god that they are incapable of producing offspring.

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    They spent like, 40m on that n.sash i think lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dooom View Post
    I think it's more to do with that a melee's performance is more determined by their gear than a healers is, which is more down to your reactions and decision making. It does say something about the XI community, though quite what that something is I'm not sure; probably that different classes are judged differently. I would say, however, that chewing out every whm you meet for not having perfect gear would make for interesting times, given that most people already don't like the job because they normally get blamed when people die, so adding on another layer of social pressure doesn't strike me as the smartest thing that could be done to an already scarce group of people. And really, if they're not making you wipe and fights are going smoothly, does it matter that much?
    quoting because this comment is perfection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirai View Post
    While I am not disagreeing with you regarding the double standards, my main point is that a gimply geared whm has less of a negative effect on group effort then a gimply geared damage dealer.

    Some folks on here do hold the bar pretty high though, where most of the time the person posting it doesn't even come close to reaching that same bar.
    I also personally cringe at the pics of people posting characters that can arguably get better items for some slots that aren't necesarilly gimp.

    It's people like the one Aurara just posted that I personally consider truly gimp/retarded.
    Well, I'll point out one thing...the difference in capabilities of what I can do with my mule is vastly superior than what it was when I first started using him. Right now, he's at something like -47%curecast time and 9%fast cast (hence why i need to do RDM sub) and caps cure pot...as opposed to before with 37% potency and 28% cast time. Somewhat small changes, but they've actually made a huge difference and allow me to use the other mule for whatever is best for the situation.

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    As someone that's mostly on whm myself I agree with you fully that good equipment makes the job a hell of a lot easier.
    I would be a fool to deny that.

    But lesser equipment doesn't break the capable whm, they only have to work a little harder and mind a few extra conditions.
    Put the best player behind a gimply geared melee job and your party is hurting, put the best player behind a gimply geared whm and chance is that they'll mostly do just fine.
    (Taking in account that the spell list is complete, don't go there )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurara View Post
    They spent like, 40m on that n.sash i think lol.
    I saw that guy idling in Port Jeuno yesterday and facepalm'd pretty hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyriu View Post
    Did my mule's Surya in 16 hours or so, with Bottled Pixie taking like 8 hours >_>
    I had the bright idea to do magian staves on both my characters simultaneously, thinking that getting kill credit from both would make it go along swimmingly.

    Bottled Pixies twice over - god I was swearing my way through Grauberg by the end of it all.

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    I did both mules at the same time too, kept myself in meri to kill the yags. wasn't too bad, def the longest portion.

    Cleaving pixies in grauberg was super easy tho

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    http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8...0711225124.jpg

    I try to avoid posting pictures in here much recently, 'cos I'm not sure I have the moral authority to hold someone up and go "hey look guize this dood sux lolol", but this one pissed me off, so fuck it. Picture should make what is going on obvious: your typical FC. But the cuntmuffin in the SS somehow got it into his head that we'd been trying to MPK him with the Cactuar NM (hint: we hadn't), so decided to try and do the same to us (note my dead main, after sacing the NM away). He wasn't the only person to try and ruin our exp this way, others tried to force us out the camp, but this is the only one I SS'd. Made me fucking rage that people could be such cunts, and reminded me why I've been playing single-player games so much more recently, and been happier for it.

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    indeed you will die laughing at their poor choices wow there is so much wrong with that BST

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dooom View Post
    I try to avoid posting pictures in here much recently, 'cos I'm not sure I have the moral authority to hold someone up and go "hey look guize this dood sux lolol", but this one pissed me off, so fuck it. Picture should make what is going on obvious: your typical FC. But the cuntmuffin in the SS somehow got it into his head that we'd been trying to MPK him with the Cactuar NM (hint: we hadn't), so decided to try and do the same to us (note my dead main, after sacing the NM away). He wasn't the only person to try and ruin our exp this way, others tried to force us out the camp, but this is the only one I SS'd. Made me fucking rage that people could be such cunts, and reminded me why I've been playing single-player games so much more recently, and been happier for it.
    I've been working on skilling up H2H and unlocking WS off deargs the last couple of days and have had many different cleave groups send someone to aggro Cujitender and die.

    Is it really that fucking hard to drag it somewhere away from other people minding their own business, or at least say something about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidFriend View Post
    Is it really that fucking hard to drag it somewhere away from other people minding their own business, or at least say something about it?
    idkman, we were there a few hours before maint and then after it, and the only trouble we ever had with the NM was when someone intentionally ran it at us. My main was dead in the SS from pulling it away from everyone else after that bst tried to MPK us, not because I ran out to take it away from the puller or something silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dooom View Post
    idkman, we were there a few hours before maint and then after it, and the only trouble we ever had with the NM was when someone intentionally ran it at us. My main was dead in the SS from pulling it away from everyone else after that bst tried to MPK us, not because I ran out to take it away from the puller or something silly.
    People seem to be unable to handle Cuji if they aggro it, so I could see why they snapped and attempted to return the favor. They are gimp though and the LS name is definite irony.

    To get the back on topic, here's another from the gimp Quetz JP bin.

    http://i51.tinypic.com/28m20c3.jpg

    Right earring is suppa, ring is Bloodbead. All the gear had terrible augments.

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    =(
    Ares body/hands, twilight helm, potent belt (wtf?), rest is pretty much what it looks like.
    I checked him twice in 5 minutes to make sure it wasnt my blinkmenot fucking with me (have it set to target only), apparently it wasnt.
    And it's not a purple mob screenshot, was just bored while my friend was bringing down an ephemeral for azure and the other chasing down jala for amber, that he got outclaimed, poor guy.Checking ppl is depressing =(

    EDIT: Was a guy soloing spiders, guess he was doing bastion or something.

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