Dev Tracker - Job adjustments 3rd June 2011

[Byrthnoth]

There's also no guarantee that 1 Zanshin = 1 DA. The way they worded it, it could be something like 25 Zanshin = 10 DA, or really any ratio.

Ikishoten merits are still as worthless as they've ever been. If you can't rely on it, you can't factor it into your X-hit. If you don't factor it into you X-hit, it doesn't benefit you really.

Does the extra (5?) anticipated Store TP make a big difference as far as Masa X-hits go?

[Rez]

There's also no guarantee that 1 Zanshin = 1 DA. The way they worded it, it could be something like 25 Zanshin = 10 DA, or really any ratio.

Ikishoten merits are still as worthless as they've ever been. If you can't rely on it, you can't factor it into your X-hit. If you don't factor it into you X-hit, it doesn't benefit you really.

Does the extra (5?) anticipated Store TP make a big difference as far as Masa X-hits go?

I agree, we were just speculating.

As far as the added trait, it would allow someone to potentially drop either Tactical or Hoard depending on setup. (Or Rose strap if they were that way inclined).

Tactical + Centuarus to Atheling and Unkai for example, superior net gains.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, that'd be awesome!

I think that you can have Hasso/Seigan up when you're using a 1H weapon, and it just doesn't do anything. I hope they overlook this and let my DNC/SAM get even more Double Attack! :D

[Atoreis]

There's also no guarantee that 1 Zanshin = 1 DA. The way they worded it, it could be something like 25 Zanshin = 10 DA, or really any ratio.

Ikishoten merits are still as worthless as they've ever been. If you can't rely on it, you can't factor it into your X-hit. If you don't factor it into you X-hit, it doesn't benefit you really.

Does the extra (5?) anticipated Store TP make a big difference as far as Masa X-hits go?

You are wrong. There is some thing called average. If Ishikoten can cut your x hit -1 sometimes that gonna improve your average damage. There is also not many things you can merit in g2 for SAM.

@Rez Assuming Nan can guarantee a 100% activation also assuming that hasso will have activation rate based on Zanshin activation rate that we have now. So if you assume one thing you should assume other thing that is a base for your assumption :D

[Jem]

@Rez Assuming Nan can guarantee a 100% activation also assuming that hasso will have activation rate based on Zanshin activation rate that we have now. So if you assume one thing you should assume other thing that is a base for your assumption :D

Not quite true. They could implement it so there's an x% chance each Hasso swing to see if it runs the Zanshin check. And if that turns up positive it then treats it as a normal zanshin swing with the corresponding % chance to proc.

EDIT: But yeah that is if it is independant of your zanshin % chance.

[Rez]

Fair play, that was a witty response.

I was working along the lines that Hasso gives a chance to activate Zanshin, however small (say 1% for example) and Nana does as it does now pushes that up to 100%. That seemed to fit the wording SE gave, but yeah it is just idle speculation.

I am curious though, if SE are answering the cries for Sam buffs by trying to add some kind of native DA trait to the job.

Edit:

I'd like to see that Sam someone reported with 4/4 Hachiryu and Nanatsusaya (was he called Hachiryu?) comment.

[Damane]

god why is SE listening to those SAM and PLD crybabies, its not like the jobs are bad outside of abyssea ¬.¬. They are allready pritty strong.

[Not Kuno]

The thf extended range is going to be great. That shit was so useless because you had to fucking pretty much be on top of the other person to use it.

Now I wish they showed BLM that same love and extend the range of Enmity Douse. Or just make the job relevant again. Either one of those is fine.

[NynJa]

WE LOVE ZANSHIN

[Dooom]

Now I wish they showed BLM that same love and extend the range of Enmity Douse. Or just make the job relevant again. Either one of those is fine.

A job with roughly half of grellow procs isn't relevant? BLM is more relevant than ever.

god why is SE listening to those SAM and PLD crybabies, its not like the jobs are bad outside of abyssea

Samurai maybe, as long as you have Fudo, but PLD? PLD is still barely ever wanted (swift blade, yo!), and I don't think these updates will change that at all.

[Rocl]

But will Innin and Yonin stack!?

[Rocl]

Also the worst update for Scholar, ever.

[Khajit]

Nah Malacite will now say to merit Shikiyoko so you can read the mob for SC and give TP to someone so that person can make an SC!

Shikiyoko is getting buffed later on too? Awesome!

[Spekkio]

depending on the activation rate and a lot of other variables, katana strap might actually be useful for sam. and just entertaining that thought makes me feel dirty even considering how unlikely it is to be true...

[Jeryhn]

Basically, it sounds like Zanshin will now act like Kick Attacks under the effect of Hasso with a 2H weapon.

Do SAM Seigan counters give the SAM TP? (Betting not.)

[Not Kuno]

A job with roughly half of grellow procs isn't relevant? BLM is more relevant than ever.

Something you can be 2boxed naked for and all you do is 5~ spells doesn't count as being relevant. It's like THF from the 2004 era. You have one to help get drops and then it does nothing for the rest of the fight.

Also the worst update for Scholar, ever.

SCH needs some serious love too. I haven't touched it since people figured out helix's don't proc green.

[Jeryhn]

SCH needs some serious love too. I haven't touched it since SE nerfed Modus Veritas.

Fixed that for you.

[Taint]

Ishitoken merits have always been good, besides overwelm T2 sam merits don't bring a lot to the table. Excess TP also helps most every SAM WS.

For Masamune things could get interesting. 6hit is already king and doesn't use a lot of stp gear. With the 90 stp trait you could drop stp merits for zanshin merits and be a TP machine.

[Raen Ryong]

Do SAM Seigan counters give the SAM TP? (Betting not.)

Negative. The only reactive JA/JT that gives you TP is Retaliation unless I'm being dumb.

[Byrthnoth]

True, but Zanshin normally gives SAM TP. It's going to be a toss up and depend how they implement it, but I'd be really surprised if Hasso Zanshin/DAs don't give TP.