Dev Tracker - Job adjustments 3rd June 2011

[Not Kuno]

Fixed that for you.

Yeah that too, I guess. I had max MV merits since it was really helpful but man SE just loves nerfing shit that is useful. When I still played SCH, seeing MV randomly miss just made me fill with rage. It's a fucking 10 minute ability and it can just miss? It's bad enough that the effect lasted for 30 seconds as is, if it's gonna do that shit at least make the recast non-retarded.

[Jeryhn]

With the 90 stp trait you could drop stp merits for zanshin merits and be a TP machine.

Wouldn't this only work assuming they don't screw with the activation rate for hits that don't miss?

If they don't, then where the fuck is my 50% Kick Attack rate SE?

[Atoreis]

True, but Zanshin normally gives SAM TP. It's going to be a toss up and depend how they implement it, but I'd be really surprised if Hasso Zanshin/DAs don't give TP.

I think Raen was writing about Seigan/ThirdEye counters not Hasso/Zanshin "DA".

[Malacite]

So... lolZanshin is no longer lol?

Cool beans. Guess this makes up for our previously-crappy AF3 set bonus huh.


Also I imagine this new JA (and it better be on a 1 min max timer) will function just like DNC - it will ready the target for an SC, but hopefully it will trigger whatever the primary alignment of the WS you use to close is.

E.G., Kasha is Fusion primary, so new JA followed by Kasha = Fusion SC. Light for Fudo/Kaiten etc etc. Also YAY for Store TP again at 90, makes that 4-hit masa build that much easier to get. Not sure if it's enough to remove Carbonara from the equation though.


What I'm curious about now having just gotten BLU 90 last night, is if 91 will be the final batch of points. It was tolerable at 75, since you were 6 levels away from the next batch but at 99 you're only 2 from supposedly another +5, so maybe they'll be nice and give BLU a final boost of 5 points at 99? And yes I'm aware of assimilation.

[Clash Perez]

YAY for Store TP again at 90, makes that 4-hit masa build that much easier to get.

lulz

As far as the added trait, it would allow someone to potentially drop either Tactical or Hoard depending on setup. (Or Rose strap if they were that way inclined).

Tactical + Centuarus to Atheling and Unkai for example, superior net gains.

You WS in the new tier as well, so you can keep the Centaurus to go with your Atheling.

For sword strap six-hit, full-time Rajas/Brutal, add AF3+2 legs/Ace's for TP, and you've still got some overflow.

[ronin sparthos]

So when do the classes with real fundamental issues get looked at, PLD aside?

[Gwynplaine]

when is this gonna happend? wich version update? june6? next small update? next major?

According to the road map schedule there's a mini updated some time this month. And then in July the Test server opens.

[Rocl]

So when do the classes with real fundamental issues get looked at, PLD aside?

About the same time they add worthwhile world spawns again.

[urat]

If sam's SC JA is < level 50 then dnc/sam may have gotten yet another weapon added to its arsenal for epic SCing. Curious to see if it adds SC bonus which will be awesome, or is the same as WF, in which case its still pretty sweet as that lets me open T1 SC without using up my Flourishes II, which allows me to reverse flourish after opening for a tier 2 SC. Dunno if it'll top sekka SC combo though, that still is hands down the best.

[Damane]

SCH needs some serious love too. I haven't touched it since people figured out helix's don't proc green.

Giving SCH cure V, new helixes (tire II zomg) and maybe new unique weather effect spells (that do something awesome compared to storm spells), could do it. + they need to add haste to sch base arsenal spells ¬.¬ (and should make it accessionable ._.)

EDIT: and why was SCH NOT on Facio Bliaut! God dammit i want my 50% cure potency on SCH too ._.

[Malacite]

ppl ever gonna stop crying about Cure V for RDM & SCH?

It ain't gonna happen.


Tier 2 Helix would kick ass though. Be nice if someone at SE actually played PLD, then maybe they might have an idea of what's wrong with it.

Also, make Insurgency a crit ws already.

[Indalecia]

Insurgency really does need a buff...

[Ayn]

Also, make Insurgency a crit ws already.

I agree. But my money is on them making it have add effect: Poison before that.

[Obsidian]

Be nice if someone at SE actually played PLD, then maybe they might have an idea of what's wrong with it.

If they're determined to keep PLD as the only purely defensive job in the game, making Cover a job trait instead of an ability would go a long way. The gear enhancing Cover would actually be worth carrying around, and then it wouldn't matter if PLD could hold hate or not. Stack everyone behind him and you're golden. Change the G1 Cover merit to -6% damage taken while covering someone, and rise by 1%/merit to a cap of -10% damage taken while covering someone.

[Eleven19]

If they're determined to keep PLD as the only purely defensive job in the game, making Cover a job trait instead of an ability would go a long way. The gear enhancing Cover would actually be worth carrying around, and then it wouldn't matter if PLD could hold hate or not. Stack everyone behind him and you're golden. Change the G1 Cover merit to -6% damage taken while covering someone, and rise by 1%/merit to a cap of -10% damage taken while covering someone.

Honestly that sounds quite brilliant. You'd likely have to take care not to get caught by conal/gaze attacks tho, but other than that.. Would probably make the job a lot more relevant again. I hope they institute something similar if not this exactly, sounds fun to play.

[Obsidian]

Yeah, I was playing FFIII on my DS and the Knight job gave me the idea. There are plenty of ways SE could go about fixing PLD but that just seems like one of the simplest ways, and it doesn't give it any edge as far as soloing goes either.

[orson]

A lot of people have suggested similar but SE wants people to actually be able to pull hate and they want it to be negative. The thing is even if Pld could hold hate 100% of the time for most people Pld is simply a optional safety net. This won't change unless they nerfed the defensive ability if DD jobs but that would loss off a lot of people.

[Malacite]

Yeah, I was playing FFIII on my DS and the Knight job gave me the idea. There are plenty of ways SE could go about fixing PLD but that just seems like one of the simplest ways, and it doesn't give it any edge as far as soloing goes either.

Yeah that's how it worked in the FF4 DS remake too, and it's just brilliant. IIRC, you can even get an accessory or job traits or something to further enhance cover. Basically, you have Cecil cover 1 person and he'll continue to take hits for them until either he dies or you cancel the effect. That's kinda what I was hoping for when I started to read the notes but knowing SE, they're going to do something stupid with it like shorten the recast.

It's about the only thing they can do at this point (or one of anyway, that wouldn't be OP) to make the job relevant again because there's just no way in hell a PLD can keep up with the enmity generation of a good DD these days. A PLD-only trait to raise their hate cap would also be nice.

[orson]

SE just said they won't change the enmity cap on the official forums.

[Indalecia]

Everytime the "new" dev team does something smart they come along and say something retarded like that and ruin it.