Dev Tracker - Job adjustments 3rd June 2011

[Shenrien]

Anyone still having capped boxes in zones? :s

[Strawhat]

so what would be the "ideal" setup for Bukhis? (5 people tops)
kinda seems like almace/ochain pld + brd or whm
atm working on almace for my pally just for this, lol already do have verethragna and kannagi thou

[Taint]

so what would be the "ideal" setup for Bukhis? (5 people tops)
kinda seems like almace/ochain pld + brd or whm
atm working on almace for my pally just for this, lol already do have verethragna and kannagi thou

MNK WHM BLM THF stun Ruinous scythe and profit

[Gwynplaine]

Look at the roadmap. June has a mini update feature job adjustments, so probably later june.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/at...2&d=1302265327

[Miroku_Asura]

Has SE brought up anything regarding the Test Servers?

[Yeyoking]

Look at the roadmap. June has a mini update feature job adjustments, so probably later june.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/at...2&d=1302265327

Funny there isn't anything regarding adjusting ZNM, Salvage, Nyzul, TOAU content, etc.

[Gokulo]

Well, it will probably happen later on. This char is only up to September and still includes more Dynamis Changes.

[Atoreis]

Im not really good with reading comprehension but i don't think he is trying to belittle other jobs, i think he said certain mobs not all abyssea, he is also pointing out a pld with ochain and almace not all pld. I think everyone understands that pld sucks ass in abyssea except for almace and ochain in "Very specific" situations.

just to make sure what i wrote is understood i said PLD + Ochain + Almace only good for 3-4 NM's out of all abyssea NM's.

Exactly this.

It is also so funny to read about Bukhis. "It is so easy to kill it on MNK tho all depends on stunners" lol.. So You admit that w/o stunners you will most likely die and with one stunner you will need to slow down TP feed if it decide to prioritize TP moves that you need to stun? You also admit that you died from doom which pretty much means lost pop or a lots of dieing and zombie holding. Guess what,
If I would have 3 ppl to support my PLD I could take NIN WHM THF and kill it faster, have 12/13 red stagger and if I die from doom I can easily continue to fight it weakened. The main part is also I don't need those 3 ppl support and I can kill it 100% of the time even if doom will keep killing me I can fight it weakened till it dies.

It's really funny that some ppl have so hard time to admit that PLD is better on 5% NMs and I am a career MNK btw.

[Zirael]

Exactly this.

It is also so funny to read about Bukhis. "It is so easy to kill it on MNK tho all depends on stunners" lol.. So You admit that w/o stunners you will most likely die and with one stunner you will need to slow down TP feed if it decide to prioritize TP moves that you need to stun? You also admit that you died from doom which pretty much means lost pop or a lots of dieing and zombie holding. Guess what,
If I would have 3 ppl to support my PLD I could take NIN WHM THF and kill it faster, have 12/13 red stagger and if I die from doom I can easily continue to fight it weakened. The main part is also I don't need those 3 ppl support and I can kill it 100% of the time even if doom will keep killing me I can fight it weakened till it dies.

It's really funny that some ppl have so hard time to admit that PLD is better on 5% NMs and I am a career MNK btw.

Well, to me you’re similar to a guy promoting RDM meele or something like that. Sure, you kill 5% of content 15% faster, but from efficiency’s point of view, is it really worth bringing up? If a guy debating on his first empy was reading this, would you recommend him go for Almace+Ochain for 5% content or MNK/NIN for 95% content + blue/red pretty much covered? You’ve got a decked out PLD – kudos to you, you look for ways to bring it out from ghetto – you’ve got my attention. But it’s not enough to consistently break MNK/WAR/NIN/WHM monotony yet. I suppose if Voidwatch or any other outside content was more relevant, I’d give it a second look.

[Ocara]

Bukhis is doable lowman with mnk/war even, suck less and get better mages. If you need super baby hand hold mode the second something gets difficult fine, but don't act like it's more efficient or better and quit preaching that shit across every topic. (P.S. Bukhis doesn't attack twice because he's not a mnk, he has normal double attack like most mobs.)

[Atoreis]

Bukhis is doable lowman with mnk/war even, suck less and get better mages. If you need super baby hand hold mode the second something gets difficult fine, but don't act like it's more efficient or better and quit preaching that shit across every topic. (P.S. Bukhis doesn't attack twice because he's not a mnk, he has normal double attack like most mobs.)

I'm not bringing it up across topics I simply answer to stupid posts like you just did.

MNK/war on bukhis is pure luck and has nothing to do with skill. If you gonna get hit by clip then ruinous you are pretty much dead. Doesn't even need to hit you after because Ruinous can hit for 1900 w/o shadows with counterstance up. I don't care you can lowman it with 2xBLM and WHM stunning everything. I can do it with less ppl and more effective and reliable = better. Haters gonna hate.

@Zirael - Why DNAval can understand what I am trying to say and 95% forum can't idk but once again. No Im not trying to say to make almace+ochain if you expect best results in abyssea THAT IS WHY I DID KANNAGI FIRST so I can be most effective on farming other empy with WAR NIN WHM combo. Then I did Veret because I'm career MNK and because MNK own in abyssea. Thhen I did Almace more for BLU then PLD. Ochain was my 4th Empy because I like PLD a lot and because I like solo, lowman, supertanking and creative way of killing things. I'm not trying to sya PLD is more efficient then MNK or NIN in abyssea it's not. Those few NMs that it can kill faster/better can be also killed by others less reliable or with more support but still doesn't need Ochain PLD. What I am trying to say tho is that PLD with Ochain+Almace is nowhere near the bottom on which ppl trying to put it. It doesn't kill things 10 times slower but rather some %. I don't give a shit you need 2 Empyreans. Life is brutal. I'm not promoting PLD over something I'm promoting PLD overall. Bandwagon will exist always and jobs on top can change every update.

[Zirael]

I'm not bringing it up across topics I simply answer to stupid posts like you just did.

MNK/war on bukhis is pure luck and has nothing to do with skill. If you gonna get hit by clip then ruinous you are pretty much dead. Doesn't even need to hit you after because Ruinous can hit for 1900 w/o shadows with counterstance up. I don't care you can lowman it with 2xBLM and WHM stunning everything. I can do it with less ppl and more effective and reliable = better. Haters gonna hate.

@Zirael - Why DNAval can understand what I am trying to say and 95% forum can't idk but once again. No Im not trying to say to make almace+ochain if you expect best results in abyssea THAT IS WHY I DID KANNAGI FIRST so I can be most effective on farming other empy with WAR NIN WHM combo. Then I did Veret because I'm career MNK and because MNK own in abyssea. Thhen I did Almace more for BLU then PLD. Ochain was my 4th Empy because I like PLD a lot and because I like solo, lowman, supertanking and creative way of killing things. I'm not trying to sya PLD is more efficient then MNK or NIN in abyssea it's not. Those few NMs that it can kill faster/better can be also killed by others less reliable or with more support but still doesn't need Ochain PLD. What I am trying to say tho is that PLD with Ochain+Almace is nowhere near the bottom on which ppl trying to put it. It doesn't kill things 10 times slower but rather some %. I don't give a shit you need 2 Empyreans. Life is brutal. I'm not promoting PLD over something I'm promoting PLD overall. Bandwagon will exist always and jobs on top can change every update.

I can see what you did there! (As the old forum saying goes) Abyssea allowed some ghetto jobs get some fun (NIN THF MNK DNC WHM BLM etc) but those times are ending and with outside content coming I bet SE will go for "to beat this neoShinryu you either bring full alliance of AF3+2 people or 3-6 people with a Burgtang/Aegis/Ochain -90% PDT/MDT PLD on the front line" like before abyssea. So I'm really paying attention to what you're saying here, but more for future reference. Makes me bit sad me & 3 friends won't be enough anymore to tackle endgame, was good fun working for my own stuff instead of whoring DKP points.

[Julian]

You have an almace and an ochain, you can kill most NMs just as fast (a bit slower on some, a bit faster on some, doesn't really matter) as other combos. OK. Bukhis is one of the NMs that the almace/ochain combo does even better on. OK.

Now for the rest of the user base that doesn't have an almace&ochain, we don't really care.

[Limlight]

You have an almace and an ochain, you can kill most NMs just as fast (a bit slower on some, a bit faster on some, doesn't really matter) as other combos. OK. Bukhis is one of the NMs that the almace/ochain combo does even better on. OK.

Now for the rest of the user base that doesn't have an almace&ochain, we don't really care.

pretty much this

[Colenzo]

delicious ochain goodness

[Tribe]

But seriously. Get a better mage, War/Sam + Whm buhkis has never died faster. 90 Ukon + A Career Whm not someones shitty mule.

[Atoreis]

But seriously. Get a better mage, War/Sam + Whm buhkis has never died faster. 90 Ukon + A Career Whm not someones shitty mule.

Idk even a career whm can't cast erase and cure fast enough imo but I also know that if fight will go perfectly (third eye up for most TP moves) then nothing wont be quicker then this.

Most of career WHM are in medium/large groups. Most WHM in lowman groups including mine are dualboxed.

Makes me bit sad me & 3 friends won't be enough anymore to tackle endgame, was good fun working for my own stuff instead of whoring DKP points.

Because of that my next target is Aegis probably and I so wanted Apoc :/

[Skeelo]

I would do Apoc just for the fact that galka drk look sick. biased? yes, yes i am.

[vagus]

NM is pretty straight forward. Stun Ruinous scythe and hope Doom doesn't get through. Honestly the only part thats annoying is the Doom. Lol.

[Malacite]

oooo.... Magian & Playability updates for this month?

Interesting.