Miami Police Business

[jmc]

I don't see how this excuses them running after people clearing the scene as ordered and confiscating/destroying what they thought was the video evidence at gunpoint.

I'm gonna call bullshit on the guys story of how he obtained the video.

Officers smashed his phone, and handcuffed him (while at gunpoint?).... yet between all of that, he was able to pop out a memory card/conceal it in his mouth and leave it there for a uncertain mount of time.

Then leave it in his mouth, while talking to officers in a command center?

[wipers]

Someone call Al Sharpton.

[Melena]

I'm gonna call bullshit on the guys story of how he obtained the video.

Officers smashed his phone, and handcuffed him (while at gunpoint?).... yet between all of that, he was able to pop out a memory card/conceal it in his mouth and leave it there for a uncertain mount of time.

Then leave it in his mouth, while talking to officers in a command center?

Yea, my guess is on they were trying to confiscate it for evidence and him resisting lead to the phone getting smashed.

[tyven]

im surprised he wasnt rescuing babies from a burning building and warning the youth about the dangers of joining a gang during all of this

[Tomiko]

Who says he wasn't? Maybe he's just modest.

[Headspace]

Damn, they unloaded on that car with a shit ton of bystanders

J-BRUCE

[vagus]

Damn, they unloaded on that car with a shit ton of bystanders

J-BRUCE

Was it really necessary for so many officers to unload bullets in this situation? The police got the suspects car to stop and a different way of subduing him could have been used. Unfortunately resources for proper training and equipment aren't available to police officers. And due to this, 4 possibly more incident bystanders were hit. No matter what the situation was for the driving to be acting like a fool. It is the job of the police to control the situation AND protect the innocent.

[Seanr]

you're asking a bit much of them...

[Melena]

Was it really necessary for so many officers to unload bullets in this situation? The police got the suspects car to stop and a different way of subduing him could have been used. Unfortunately resources for proper training and equipment aren't available to police officers. And due to this, 4 possibly more incident bystanders were hit. No matter what the situation was for the driving to be acting like a fool. It is the job of the police to control the situation AND protect the innocent.

Did you miss the part where he was hitting other cars, driving on the sidewalk, and hit a cop with his car? He's honestly lucky he didn't get lit up sooner.

[Plow]

I understand what you are saying, but it's kind of hard to not react with the fight or flight instinct when someone starts barking orders at you with a gun in your face. I am not a confrontational person and yes there are WAY more good cops than adrenaline/superiority complex cops. But I don't care which side of the line you are on, your energy will mirror their energy to a degree.

I got woken up by a cop pointing a gun at me yelling "YOU IN THE BED PUT YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM," because the wind had blown a door open and set off the alarm but didn't wake me up. I was freaked out but I just did exactly what they said and nothing meaningful happened.

[Salodin]

Did you miss the part where he was hitting other cars, driving on the sidewalk, and hit a cop with his car? He's honestly lucky he didn't get lit up sooner.

I think you missed the part where innocent civilians got hurt as well.

Regardless of the circumstances surrounds it, collateral damage is never justified. Don't fool yourself otherwise. After seeing the videos I feel like it's more of a training problem then any thing else.

[Judai]

Maybe if innocent civilians got the fuck out of the way. Sorry but it's your own fault if you hear a car crashing into shit and shooting off guns and decide to stick around after 20 cops roll up with guns out. If dumb asses didn't stick around and try to film shit on their camera they wouldn't get injured. Cops need to keep people safe but people need to own up and keep themselves safe. If some retard got shot when the cops lit up the car it's their own fault, there was plenty of time to duck and run for cover. My first instinct in a situation like that isn't to try and film a shootout while in the line of fire.

The guy in the second video was told multiple times to get away and it wasn't until he started shit talking and then ran away while being told to stop that he had a gun pulled on him.

[Bregor]

Thread title got my hopes up for:

Spoiler: show

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[Melena]

I think you missed the part where innocent civilians got hurt as well.

Regardless of the circumstances surrounds it, collateral damage is never justified. Don't fool yourself otherwise. After seeing the videos I feel like it's more of a training problem then any thing else.

Civilians getting accidentally hit while filming a shooting? Shouldn't have been taping in a war zone.

[jmc]

Still supposed to be aware of your line of fire.

What the story doesn't tell, is how were the civilians hit?

Did a officer miss and hit one on the other side of the car?

Did one go through the window and hit one?

Did a bullet redirect off the car, and hit someone standing too close?

[Acevalefor]

I got woken up by a cop pointing a gun at me yelling "YOU IN THE BED PUT YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM," because the wind had blown a door open and set off the alarm but didn't wake me up. I was freaked out but I just did exactly what they said and nothing meaningful happened.

The officer didn't have an adrenaline high and wasn't getting radio reports of multiple shots fired, possible additional suspects, etc. You chose the flight reaction and complied. Nothing happened because of that response. What I was saying is that when the officers involved are that jacked up on adrenaline and the civilian just filmed an incident that showed the cops WAY overreacting, it's a Molotov cocktail just waiting for an ignition source. This guy is already defensive because he knows he has damning evidence against the cops.

Regarding the cops lighting up the car, did it really take 150+ bullets to kill one guy? That's what makes everyone question the situation. I was always taught one-shot-one-kill and never ever point your gun at something/someone that you are not fully committed to pulling the trigger on. I know this is a little different, but these guys that open fire like it's a speed-shooting competition really make me question training tactics.

[Khamsin]

The officer didn't have an adrenaline high and wasn't getting radio reports of multiple shots fired, possible additional suspects, etc. You chose the flight reaction and complied. Nothing happened because of that response. What I was saying is that when the officers involved are that jacked up on adrenaline and the civilian just filmed an incident that showed the cops WAY overreacting, it's a Molotov cocktail just waiting for an ignition source. This guy is already defensive because he knows he has damning evidence against the cops.

Regarding the cops lighting up the car, did it really take 150+ bullets to kill one guy? That's what makes everyone question the situation. I was always taught one-shot-one-kill and never ever point your gun at something/someone that you are not fully committed to pulling the trigger on. I know this is a little different, but these guys that open fire like it's a speed-shooting competition really make me question training tactics.

I always heard it was "empty your magazine", not "one shot one kill". Afterall, how will you be sure your one shot did the job? It's not as if you can take one shot, evaluate the situation, then fire another if need be. If you're in a situation requiring gunfire, you probably don't have that luxury.

Plus, I doubt most officers are expert marksmen who can hit moving targets from any distance in any visibility with perfect accuracy. And make sure they hit fatally with that one bullet, too.

[Melena]

My understanding, and Jmcgarell can correct me on this, when you are shooting to kill, you stop when he's on the ground. You don't fuck around with one shot one kill bullshit cause if it doesn't kill him, he's going to take that chance to kill you.

[Salodin]

Still supposed to be aware of your line of fire.

What the story doesn't tell, is how were the civilians hit?

Did a officer miss and hit one on the other side of the car?

Did one go through the window and hit one?

Did a bullet redirect off the car, and hit someone standing too close?

This right here. Its stupid to say what if, but if at least 5 others got hurt, there is a good chance not all of them were just standing around with a camera. Even if i give the cops the benefit of the doubt...cmon...thats hard to swallow...

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[Acevalefor]

I already said that I understand the situation with a police officer is different. Obviously they need to eliminate the threat on their life, but 10-15 officers emptying 15-round clips into a car with a single occupant is like using dynamite to kill a squirrel...it shows a complete lack of restraint on the officers' part. The whole point of one-shot-one-kill is to teach self-control and calm in any given situation. It doesn't mean only use one shot. It means only use the necessary force. 150 rounds is way outside the realm of necessary force.