Internet Vs. the Government

**Feedmenow** · 2011-06-20 17:55

Originally Posted by Jb1210a

Does this make them a martyr then?

I'd be compelled to say that nothing ever gets done without a reaction to some injustice, if being thieves for the lulz means forcing companies to properly safeguard my info I allow them to have, then I'm on board.

As LulzSec stated, they're going to lose public attention three months after they get caught. Companies are (probably) going to give only a token effort upgrading security in order to quell fears, and forget about it just as fast as the public does. By their own logic, they're not going to have the profound impact they're using to justify their means.

**kyod** · 2011-06-20 21:36

I think I've seen their "press release" on every rebellious teenager's LiveJournal circa 2003. "Government and society suck! You're all sheep! YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT REALLY IS! THE WORLD SHOULD BE HOW I WANT IT! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"

Do these kids not have jobs and that's how they have the time to do all this "hacking?"

aduidarnenye · 2011-06-20 23:08

Originally Posted by LulzSec

Do you think every hacker announces everything they’ve hacked? We certainly haven’t, and we’re damn sure others are playing the silent game. Do you feel safe with your Facebook accounts, your Google Mail accounts, your Skype accounts? What makes you think a hacker isn’t silently sitting inside all of these right now, sniping out individual people, or perhaps selling them off? You are a peon to these people. A toy. A string of characters with a value.This is what you should be fearful of, not us releasing things publicly, but the fact that someone hasn’t released something publicly.

All my relatives have Facebook accounts and they are constantly posting those stupid chain posts about Facebook security and changing the settings.

To which I always respond: If you don't want someone to learn that stuff don't put it on your Facebook account at all. Don't be stupid with your personal and private information and pictures. If you need to have any security settings at all on Facebook you probably shouldn't be posting what you are posting.

For some reason all my relatives have been de-friending me quite a lot lately. They think I'm a bitchy know-it-all or something.

**Kuya** · 2011-06-20 23:28

That's a good thing, i think. I try to have as few relatives in my facebook as possible. Shit can get ackward with them there. In fact i've resolved to some day delete most of my family from facebook to avoid future problems.

**Guitarman** · 2011-06-21 07:30

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13859868

1 worthless shit down.

**6souls** · 2011-06-21 09:03

but according to LulzSec, it wasn't one of theirs

Seems the glorious leader of LulzSec got arrested, it's all over now... wait... we're all still here! Which poor bastard did they take down?

http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83164092998758400

**vadre** · 2011-06-21 09:32

I don't suppose they'd ever say it was buuuuut I'm not expecting it to be one of them.

Still, would be hilarious if the Lulzsec leader was some random teen from Essex, of all places.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsVO1hsrOnI

**Jb1210a** · 2011-06-21 16:14

Of course they're not going to admit to him being one of them or not. Think of the plea bargaining this could kid partake in had they had a reason to believe he could lead them to people in this organization. Not to mention it makes them look super vulnerable and amateur.

**6souls** · 2011-06-21 18:30

So the guy arrested this morning, Ryan, ran an IRC host where LulzSec hosted one of their rooms. That is his connection to them. Lulzsec also has IRC chats hosted by Efnet, 2600, Rizon and AnonOps.

According to another Anon twitter account, Lulzsec consists of 6 members. Also one or more of them may be from San Diego. Antisec graffiti began appearing on Mission Beach last week before Lulzsec even began mentioning the movement's name.

Today LulzSec released a statement outing two other hackers that had attempted to rat the group out.

Hi FBI & other law enforcement clowns,

LulzSec here with some juicy gossip.

This is Marshal Webb, also known as "[redacted]" in the "#pure-elite" IRC logs you no doubt have enjoyed. He was involved in the hacking of the game "Deus Ex" and was/is involved in countless other cybercrimes.

Also, he tried to snitch on us. Therefore we just did your job for you with great ease.

This moron is trying to flee the country in order to avoid serious punishment. Hunt him down:

SNITCH: m_nerva aka cimx aka rq42

Spoiler: show

Name: Marshal Webb

This is also the name of one of his associates, Michael, or "Hann". He's also wanted for some pretty heavy stuff:

PIC:

Name: michael dean major

Spoiler: show

These goons begged us for mercy after they apologized to us all night for leaking some of our affiliates' logs. There is no mercy on The Lulz Boat.

Snitches get stitches,

Lulz Security

http://pastebin.com/MBEsm5XQ

There was also a claim this morning that the UK Census was hacked. If that was true, then it was a copycat as Lulzsec prefers to announce their victims.

LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Just saw the pastebin of the UK census hack. That wasn't us - don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first.

LulzSec The Lulz Boat
Anyone in the world can copy and paste The Lulz Boat ASCII art and general lighthearted theme. Smarten up, check the feed first. #AntiSec

http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83172089711964161
http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83172344398487552

**6souls** · 2011-06-21 18:35

So as I was writing that, an article popped up saying that Ryan may be extradited to the U.S. to face charges.

A British teenager suspected of masterminding a global computer hacking plot from his bedroom could face a fight against extradition to the US.

Ryan Cleary was arrested at his detached family home in Essex on Tuesday as part of a Scotland Yard and FBI probe into LulzSec, a group claiming responsibility for hacking attempts on the UK's Serious Organised Crime Agency, the US Senate and the CIA.

Neighbours who witnessed the dawn police swoop spoke of their shock as the "very bright" 19-year-old university student was questioned.

Detectives believe Cleary was a "major player" with LulzSec, which has also claimed security breaches at games firms Nintendo and Sony.

As American authorities were kept closely informed over the "pre-planned intelligence-led operation", lawyers said US prosecutors may demand he faces justice across the Atlantic.

Mark Spragg, an extradition lawyer at London-based firm Keystone Law, said: "If the charges on which he was arrested would result in a sentence in excess of 12 months, then potentially it would constitute an extradition offence."

LulzSec is said to have established itself as a formidable splinter group to Anonymous, the hacking group embroiled in the WikiLeaks fallout.

The group was believed to have initially targeted only US broadcasters, including PBS and Fox, and gaming firms.

But the Twitter page @LulzSec recently declared its intention to break into government websites and leak confidential documents.

Neighbours of Cleary's family bungalow in Wickford, described him as a "well presented young man".

Dorothy Rounce said she was woken by banging from police officers arresting Cleary in the early hours of Monday morning.

Her husband, James Rounce, added: "They moved in about 10 years ago and have been pleasant neighbours.

"I think he had been away at university and had come back for the holidays or because he had finished his exams.

"You could tell he was very bright just from the way he spoke and presented himself.

"I knew he was into computers because we would often take in parcels for him and when I asked about them his mother said he was working from home and it was something to do with IT."

Soca, the UK national law enforcement unit dubbed the British FBI, was forced to temporarily take its website off-line on Monday after LulzSec bombarded it with traffic to stop other users accessing it.

Security sources were keen to underline that no confidential information was surrendered.

Cleary was arrested by officers from Scotland Yard's specialist e-crime unit. He was being questioned at a central London station under the Computer Misuse Act and Fraud Act.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "The arrest follows an investigation into network intrusions and distributed denial of service attacks against a number of international business and intelligence agencies by what is believed to be the same hacking group.

"Searches at a residential address in Wickford, Essex, following the arrest last night have led to the examination of a significant amount of material. These forensic examinations remain ongoing."

The Met and Essex Police were working "in co-operation" with the FBI, the spokesman said.

Claims that LulzSec had stolen the entire 2011 UK census database were denied by both the group and security sources.

LulzSec tweeted: "That wasn't us - don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first."

And later LulzSec tweeted: "Seems the glorious leader of LulzSec got arrested, it's all over now ... wait ... we're all still here! Which poor bastard did they take down?"

No US arrests have been announced in relation to LulzSec or Anonymous.

LulzSec has been known for several weeks to have been a subject of concern among US authorities.

Steven Chabinsky, the FBI's deputy assistant director, told the Financial Times last week that LulzSec and Anonymous were avoiding prosecution by using the likes of Twitter to draw supporters under an anonymous guise.

The FBI is placing "a lot of emphasis and focus on Anonymous and other groups that would be like them, through co-ordinated transnational efforts," he added.

Anonymous came to prominence last year when it launched digital assaults against MasterCard, PayPal and other businesses that stopped working with WikiLeaks.

The arrest of a Briton in relation to hacking attempts in the US will prompt comparisons with Gary McKinnon.

McKinnon, 45, who is wanted in the US, faces 60 years behind bars for hacking into Pentagon and NASA computers between February 2001 and March 2002 while searching for evidence of "little green men"

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1...-face-US-court

Also, AnonOps has announced that they have taken down Italian sites www.pdl.it www.governoberlusconi.it www.forzasilvio.it & www.silvioberlusconifansclub.org

**6souls** · 2011-06-21 19:20

6:16 p.m. | Updated Adding that the F.B.I. did not comment.

6:55 p.m. | Updated Adding comments from Curbed Network and Instapaper.

7:35 p.m. | Updated Adding comment from DigitalOne.

The F.B.I. seized Web servers in a raid on a data center early Tuesday, causing several Web sites, including those run by the New York publisher Curbed Network, to go offline.

The raid happened at 1:15 a.m. at a hosting facility in Reston, Va., used by DigitalOne, which is based in Switzerland, the company said. The F.B.I. did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the raid.

In an e-mail to one of its clients on Tuesday afternoon, a DigitalOne employee, Sergej Ostroumow, said: “This problem is caused by the F.B.I., not our company. In the night F.B.I. has taken 3 enclosures with equipment plugged into them, possibly including your server — we can not check it.”

Mr. Ostroumow said that the F.B.I. was only interested in one of the company’s clients but had taken servers used by “tens of clients.” He wrote: “After F.B.I.’s unprofessional ‘work’ we can not restart our own servers, that’s why our website is offline and support doesn’t work.” The company’s staff had been working to solve the problem for the previous 15 hours, he said.

Mr. Ostroumow said in response to e-mailed questions that it was not clear if the issues would be resolved by Wednesday.

It is not clear what the F.B.I. was looking for, or whether the raid was in response to recent attacks by hacker groups on corporate and government sites.

A government official who declined to be named said earlier in the day that the F.B.I. was actively investigating the Lulz Security group and any affiliated hackers. The official said the F.B.I. had teamed up with other agencies in this effort, including the Central Intelligence Agency and cybercrime bureaus in Europe.

The sites of the Curbed Network, including popular blogs covering real estate, restaurants and other topics, were all unavailable Tuesday evening. Lockhart Steele, Curbed’s president, said his team realized that the company’s sites were down at around 3 a.m. and contacted DigitalOne. After initially declining to say what had happened, DigitalOne explained that the F.B.I. had raided the data center, Mr. Steele said.

“Our servers happened to be in with some naughty servers,” he said, adding that his sites were not the target of the raid. Curbed is working to get its sites back online, probably by Wednesday.

The raid also affected a server used by Instapaper, a popular service that saves articles for later reading. Marco Arment, Instapaper’s founder, said he lost contact with a server hosted by DigitalOne early on Tuesday. Instapaper’s Web site is still operating but has slowed somewhat. Mr. Arment said he had not heard from DigitalOne or law enforcement, and had no reason to believe that Instapaper was a target of the raid.

Pinboard, a bookmarking site, was operating on a backup server and some of its features were turned off, a post on its site said.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...sites-offline/

**kyod** · 2011-06-21 21:54

Ah human nature, who wants to bet we see some more members selling the others out soon?

**Pikarya** · 2011-06-21 22:02

Lord of Flies, script kiddie edition.

http://sven-slootweg.nl/index_defaced.html

**Lucavi** · 2011-06-21 22:11

Originally Posted by aduidarnenye

I don't think they really want to steal people's identity. I'm sure they just want to show off their hackorz skills and how leet they are. I think that they went wrong, however, when they published the information on public websites. If they want the common people to rise up and support them in their crusade against evil corporations and shady government then they shouldn't stick it up the common people's asses. Or mess with my ability to play League of Legends.

I think that people are bringing up the gamer angle because gamers would be the traditional supporters of something like this. Why would gamers support people who are messing with their hobbies though?

Lulz has to affect everyone. That's what makes it lulzy. What's "better" in these freak's minds than trolling the government to get everyone that hates the government on your side, then trolling those who were on your side? For people trying to be a dickhead for the sake of it, its not only a tried-and-true method, its absolutely genius in its impact. Its like a bunch of average looking nerds to start pranking the shit out of the jocks, then the fat kids see the nerds pranking successfully so they get riled up and want to help, and then the nerds prank the shit out of the fat kids once their guards were down. Its a perfect storm of "oh, you actually thought we cared about you?!" trolling.

Lets be 100% clear here. The only people that are truly in the clear to these jackasses are themselves, and by "themselves", I mean whatever 1-5 people are actually at the top of the pyramid. I'm sure anyone under the upper administration (and there's ALWAYS an administration - Anon showed us this quite clearly - its just how humans work) is just as liable to be trolled as the government or the average joe.

There's a lot of assholes on BG. Take a look in the Spam forum and tell me shit doesn't roll the same way. There are no true alliances when dealing with assholes.

Edit: And of course we're already seeing it. No matter how "smart" someone thinks they are, they're still human. Humans are incredibly predictable. Every one of these white middle class teenage idiots who shoots their mouth off will be caught. The "real" ones; the ones that stay underground and do it for knowledge, not for "lulz" will be as fine as they've always been.

**Kuya** · 2011-06-21 22:16

The funny thing is, people actually claim otherwise: that spam is just a nerdy clique that chases away anybody who isn't part of it. The truth is that it's little a colum A and a little of colum B. You have cliqués, and you have your assholes. These two groups are at constant war for spam's heart.

**Lucavi** · 2011-06-21 22:17

People can "claim" whatever they want. It is what it is.

**Kuya** · 2011-06-21 22:20

Not at all. I know what spam is. I know its heart.

**Jb1210a** · 2011-06-21 22:23

Getting the popcorn ready...

**Lucavi** · 2011-06-21 22:26

No need for the buttery goodness. I said my piece. That's it.

**6souls** · 2011-06-21 22:27

LulzSecBrazil A Jangada dos Lulz
@LulzSec tango down brasil.gov.br & presidencia.gov.br

http://twitter.com/#!/LulzSecBrazil/...74152303644672

oh yeah, Orlando Chamber of Commerce & Libya's federal bank website was also taken down.

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