Second aid flotila bound for Gaza leaving this week

[solanis]

holy shit elvis, just stop. the people you're arguing against here have expressed that they don't read your novels. what are you trying to prove and to who?

[Dimmauk]

Don't bitch about name-calling when you don't contribute anything and summarize my posts as "linked/copy pasted". You trivialize the act of CITING SOURCES. I have my own arguments. I back them up with newspaper articles and books. It's not my fault you haven't read EITHER.

You troll these threads, hence I'm calling you a troll.

I wasn't even talking about the name calling about me. You do it anyone that doesn't agree with you. Just breaking down how lame and unoriginal your posts are. You post pasted text and links, then add your "flavor" which is just name calling.

[Elvis]

I wasn't even talking about the name calling about me. You do it anyone that doesn't agree with you. Just breaking down how lame and unoriginal your posts are. You post pasted text and links, then add your "flavor" which is just name calling.

The people who disagree with me are people like Plow, solanis, and you.

Don't make it seem like I'm reflexively calling people names. Plow's case is self-explanatory. Solanis came in here and called Kuya antisemitic and me, an idiot. He then wasted 6 pages of pseudo-intellectual garbage regarding a proposed litmus test of antisemitism.

That other guy (newfag), who's name I'm blanking on, quoted me at length and went on a barrage of fail. So I responded. Etc. etc.

Cleveland_7795 called me an antisemite, said the Palestinians and I were disappointed Jews weren't massacred or something, implied that the Mufti of Jerusalem represented the Palestinians, or that they had 'supported' him - hence, Palestinians helped Hitler kill Jews, said that Palestinians as a whole were 'murderous', said I was saying the Gaza blockade was worse than the Holocaust - blah blah blah.

That is the CAUSE and EFFECT of my name-calling. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

[Dimmauk]

The people who disagree with me are people like Plow, solanis, and you.

Don't make it seem like I'm reflexively calling people names. Plow's case is self-explanatory. Solanis came in here and called Kuya antisemitic and me, an idiot. He then wasted 6 pages of pseudo-intellectual garbage regarding a proposed litmus test of antisemitism.

That other guy (newfag), who's name I'm blanking on, quoted me at length and went on a barrage of fail. So I responded. Etc. etc.

Cleveland_7795 called me an antisemite, said the Palestinians and I were disappointed Jews weren't massacred or something, implied that the Mufti of Jerusalem represented the Palestinians, or that they had 'supported' him - hence, Palestinians helped Hitler kill Jews, said that Palestinians as a whole were 'murderous', said I was saying the Gaza blockade was worse than the Holocaust - blah blah blah.

That is the CAUSE and EFFECT of my name-calling. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

You sound like Israel now. LOL

[Elvis]

You sound like Israel now. LOL

LOL

[Mazmaz]

Finally: He has a tactic that's always going to win on bg: argue in quantity, not quality. He just plain says so much bull shit that it's not even remotely worth the time to refute it, half the time it would take a paragraph per sentence to go into it.

Kinda late but totally reminded me of
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm...alg5o1_500.jpg

Seriously though, what a joke you are if you think a discussion on a huge topic like this can be carried out in small paragraphs.

[Kerberoz]

Seriously though, what a joke you are if you think a discussion on a huge topic like this will ever change anyone's mind over the internet.

[tyven]

The people who disagree with me are people like Plow, solanis, and you.

Don't make it seem like I'm reflexively calling people names. Plow's case is self-explanatory. Solanis came in here and called Kuya antisemitic and me, an idiot. He then wasted 6 pages of pseudo-intellectual garbage regarding a proposed litmus test of antisemitism.

That other guy (newfag), who's name I'm blanking on, quoted me at length and went on a barrage of fail. So I responded. Etc. etc.

Cleveland_7795 called me an antisemite, said the Palestinians and I were disappointed Jews weren't massacred or something, implied that the Mufti of Jerusalem represented the Palestinians, or that they had 'supported' him - hence, Palestinians helped Hitler kill Jews, said that Palestinians as a whole were 'murderous', said I was saying the Gaza blockade was worse than the Holocaust - blah blah blah.

That is the CAUSE and EFFECT of my name-calling. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

well to be perfectly fair, you are an antisemite.

[Correction]

Seriously though, what a joke you are if you think a discussion on a huge topic like this will ever change anyone's mind over the internet.

Kuya doesn't post these threads in the hopes of changing the minds of people like Plow/solanis/the trolls. I think he's actually come out and said as much a few times. Lurk moar.

[Dimmauk]

Kuya doesn't post these threads in the hopes of changing the minds of people like Plow/solanis/the trolls. I think he's actually come out and said as much a few times. Lurk moar.

So why does Kuya posts these types of threads? To inform people? LOL

[solanis]

people like me? you mean people with vested personal interest in israel because they're from israel and their family lives there? I think people like me are an astonishing minority, especially on bg lol

I'm curious what you think should be done. what's the proper end-game solution for this conflict? destroy israel and tell the jews to go back to new york, split the land in half, move the palestinians to syria, what? inb4 you take these suggestions seriously. you and elvis are so full of ~thoughts and condemnations~ that I can't wait to see what your suggestions will be.

[quannum]

go back to the 19-whatever borders, amnesty or deportation to the violators. solved.

[Penthesilea]

people like me? you mean people with vested personal interest in israel because they're from israel and their family lives there? I think people like me are an astonishing minority, especially on bg lol

I'm curious what you think should be done. what's the proper end-game solution for this conflict? destroy israel and tell the jews to go back to new york, split the land in half, move the palestinians to syria, what? inb4 you take these suggestions seriously. you and elvis are so full of ~thoughts and condemnations~ that I can't wait to see what your suggestions will be.

My solution? Don't give them any more of my money. Simple.

[Demosthenes11]

well to be perfectly fair, you are an antisemite.

DONT POKE THE BEAR

[Dimmauk]

My solution? Don't give them any more of my money. Simple.

Totally agree.

[Elvis]

people like me? you mean people with vested personal interest in israel because they're from israel and their family lives there? I think people like me are an astonishing minority, especially on bg lol

I'm curious what you think should be done. what's the proper end-game solution for this conflict? destroy israel and tell the jews to go back to new york, split the land in half, move the palestinians to syria, what? inb4 you take these suggestions seriously. you and elvis are so full of ~thoughts and condemnations~ that I can't wait to see what your suggestions will be.

You're pathetic. You won't actually debate the issues but you'll spend 6 pages talking about antisemitism AND insist you are inherently credible (WITHOUT giving an opinion) because you're an Israeli.

How many Americans are scholars of the Iraq War and America's involvement in the ME just because they are American?

You have to prove yourself by, gee I don't know, writing something of substance.

I don't give a shit if you're an Israeli. That doesn't mean anything in and of itself with relation to the validity and sensibility of your arguments.

Furthermore, the settlers are Israeli. If you go to Mondoweiss, a couple of Christian Zionist settlers post there (mostly insane religious rantings). They are Israeli citizens. That doesn't mean I have to accept their views.

This thread was not about how to solve the conflict.

You are just now asking people what they think a just solution is or what the 'endgame' is. Not on page 1, but on page 14 - after all the shit-flinging has winded down, more or less.

BUT WAIT, HOLD THE PRESSES, YOU'RE AN ISRAELI!

So was Art, that didn't mean his arguments were sensible. The guy thought the British ethnically cleansed the Palestinians in 48'. He denied the right of Palestinian Arabs to self-determination because they never had a 'State' before (chicken/egg sort of thing). ETC ETC

This thread is essentially over and what it accomplished is to show what people like you are capable of saying on this issue. Congratulations! If you can't say it anonymously on the internet, where you don't get shot at/blown up/thrown in jail (for both sides) - where can you be completely honest?

[archibaldcrane]

Elvis is pretty mad.

[Elvis]

There is no such thing as mad. There is only furious typing.

[Kuya]

A French boat has set sail for Gaza from Corsica in the latest attempt by activists to deliver aid to the Palestinian territory, according to a journalist aboard the vessel.

The Dignite al Karama, which left the western Mediterranean island overnight is, thus far, the only boat in a flotilla organised by pro-Palestinian activists to successfully sail for Gaza, with most confined to ports in Greece.

The vessel's passengers include Olivier Besancenot, head of the New Left Party in France, French politician and member of the European Parliament Nicole Kiil-Nilsen, and other well-known French personalities.

"We are about 20 minutes from international waters, and when we arrive there, the organisers on the boat will decide what their next move is," Quentin Girard, a journalist with the French newspaper Liberation, told Al Jazeera from aboard the boat.

Meanwhile, the captain of a US ship, who was arrested by Greek authorities, was released on Tuesday and all charges against him dropped, Al Jazeera's Jamal Elshayyal reported from Athens.

The US boat is one of nine vessels carrying several hundred activists attempting to deliver aid to Gaza.
Some of the passengers on the US ship have remained on board in solidarity with the jailed captain.

On June 24, an anonymous complaint was filed against the ship's "seaworthiness". The Israel Law Centre (Shurat HaDin), took responsibility for the complaint in the Israeli media.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...643849116.html

[Cleveland_7795]

You still haven't answered the question, though.