Random Question Thread XXII: You Know the Deal

[Deader2818]

So I don't keep up with BLM as much as I used to and I know at 75 cap, magic crit hit rate is pretty blah so Wise strap wasnt that great.

I see now its climbed back up to 350k on my server. Has the strap gotten better due to more crit hit rate gear? (only thing im aware of that BLM would use is the af3 gloves, maybe witch sash again) or are people just being dumb due to its rarity?

eh, i just saw some other gear and totally forgot about hecate earring have magic crit hit rate as well. So is it worth it to gear more for that now?

[msthief]

Critical hit info

Ok so, there's an seeming cap of +40 MAB on magic crit (look at the post after the one I linked you to). Without making huge concessions, you will be wearing +5% on the hands and +2% on a witch sash, for the sake of making things easy I'm going to say you start at a 0% magic crit rate (coming up). +3% on a magic crit rate will add an expected value of .03*40=1.2 MAB.

You're probably never going to be using impregnable tower, so people are being stupid and magic crits are still worthless.

[Alkimi]

BLMs have no good grips to use really.

Not sure on the exact value Goetia Gloves +2 give to magic crit damage but even if it's as much as +10 MAB then Wise strap would be 20 MAB x3% chance so 0.6 MAB, barely worth it over Bugard+1.

[Mojo]

BLM comparisons~

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P3CNJRHH

This is something I made a bit ago that you might find useful. Stuff I posted in another thread.

Using it is pretty simple. Enter your base stats and gear into the appropriate spots on the Main page. Other is a column for any other source of INT/MAB (atma, buffs, etc.) For elemental potency, you simply enter how much of it you have through merits or atma (So Atma of the Beyond only would yield a value of 30 potency.) Attack merits are the 'potency' merits you have for that element, enter how many of them that you have. For NQ/HQ staffs, enter a 1 if you're using them (if you enter a 1 for both it will use HQ.) For day/weather/tonban/zodiac/twilight, enter 1 if you have that item (2 for weather if it's double weather.) You can also enter monster stats into the part below the INT/MAB section. MDT is expressed in n/1024, so enter 512 for a 50% MDT reduction.

There is also another part for INT/MAB just below the total, it's labeled Versus. This is tied to the +INT and +MAB sections and the earth/water/wind/fire/ice/thunder pages. Basically this is what I made the spreadsheet for. If you're a bit confused over which piece of gear to use (Searing Sash vs 7 INT waist, for example), you can simply leave the waist INT and MAB zero and then enter 7 INT and 3 MAB into the versus section. You can then either look at which is higher using some arbitrary mob INT value, or you can go to the earth/water/etc. pages to see which will produce better results for mobs of INT values equal to and between 1 and 150. The pages have a graph that displays the difference between the expected damage using the versus INT and the versus MAB. So if the value for some spell is greater than zero for a mob INT range, that means that the versus INT produced better results. If it's negative, the MAB would be a better choice.

I actually disregarded magical hit rate and AF3 procs, but it's still useful for comparing gear. Maybe I'll update it or something, but you can fudge it a bit by adding a decimal in the versus column maybe.

Edit: Actually for mcrit just multiply the versus INT and MAB by 10 to avoid the decimal. It won't be perfectly accurate, but at least somewhat accurate until it gets updated.

[Jem]

It says requested file is deleted on that link for me.

[Mojo]

d'oh

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P3CNJRHH

updated in the OP

[dasva]

Doh wrong thread

[Atoreis]

Das that is not a point here. He was writing about no reports of 100% crit on :Hi with gear that most ppl use and by that he was trying to say that base crit rate on :Hi is not that big and he wanted to transfer that conclusion over Ukko's.
First of all like I said no reports of 100% crit on :hi were made because most ppl should have 90% crit rate in usual :Hi gear at 100TP. Second of all Ukko's seems to have higher base crit rate than :Hi. Third of all he was arguing about Blood rage being in favor of GH when its completely reverse. Even with SS+RR+af3Feet+trait you have 78%crit damage so blood rage will have full use of +20%crit damage while with RR+Rage+af3head you are sitting at 78% crit rate and only assuming 0-2% base crit rate on Ukko's will allow GH to take full effect which is obviously fail assumption.

EDIT: lol Das.. XD

[dasva]

Oh I wasn't arguing Ukko. Though I'd get firm testing on it's crit rate before start mathing it to be better and such. Then again Bloodrage isn't up all that much with only 30 sec duration and 5 min recast. And what happens when your silly kannagi nin uses warcry right after and overwrites it huh!?!

[dasva]

So, I has rng questions. Well really barrage. Can empyrean ODD proc on barrage?

And I used to notice a rather large amount of relic epeen barrage shots... given it's rather low proc rate would it be safe to assume it just rolls for ODD once given that a significant amount of multiple ODDs with a low proc rate would be horribly low odds?

Can barrage crit?

And iirc some update notes a bit back said they were fixing barrage acc issues. What exactly did they do? Did they get rid of that dumb if one shot misses the rest do thing?

Idk just thinking that if you had max pdif crit and ODD on a barrage it could own any ws lol

[Atoreis]

Barrage can crit and each hit is calculated separately. (tested)
Relic proc only need to proc on main first hit for whole Barrage to achieve x3 damage. (100% valid unless something was changed very recently)
Keep crit rate discussion in right thread! (200% valid)
ODD works like relic proc so I'am 99% sure it can proc on barrage (99% valid)

[dasva]

Thought as much. Guess I need to finish my gandiva now... Hey ato You got a bazzillion empyreans you should help me out on one fool! (53% valid). Then get ragni to blood rage me so I can try for some 20k+ barrages or something

[Atoreis]

Thought as much. Guess I need to finish my gandiva now... Hey ato You got a bazzillion empyreans you should help me out on one fool! (53% valid). Then get ragni to blood rage me so I can try for some 20k+ barrages or something

If you wouldnt change server and ran from our LS you would probably end up with at least 3 empy by now

QUESTION:

My friend should finish Annihilator soon so I made those sets for him
TP: TP
WS: WS
anyone see some mistakes or improvements?

[shukudai]

Question: How good is Armageddon for RNG? I got it for COR, but now that I have one, i'm just wondering :3 Feels like it's far far superior for COR than RNG.

[Byrthnoth]

So, I've been meaning to update the bgwiki pDIF page for a while, but every time I start writing it I end up getting pulled back into the data and try to make sense of it instead of simply posting fits. Today, I've just updated with the average value fits. These are the most accurate possible given everything I know, and use Masamune's distribution study. They assume that pDIF works the way that's laid out on the page, which I feel there is significant evidence for, but they are not made with a full understanding of the mechanisms of pDIF's mechanics. The max/min fits for pDIF are close to being "nice" values, but not quite there. It seems unlikely that SE does six-significant figure floating point calculations every time you swing your weapon, which means it's unlikely that we possess a "true" understanding of pDIF at the moment.

Still, I'm confident that these are the most accurate 1H/2H pDIF equations to date:
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/PDIF

[Chun Liroy]

Oh I wasn't arguing Ukko. Though I'd get firm testing on it's crit rate before start mathing it to be better and such. Then again Bloodrage isn't up all that much with only 30 sec duration and 5 min recast. And what happens when your silly kannagi nin uses warcry right after and overwrites it huh!?!

1 minute duration. can do like 6 ukkos in that time, and the thing should be dead. I hate warcry from my nins. Get procs so then everyone buffs and they use warcry right after I blood rage!

[Bigsyke]

1 minute duration. can do like 6 ukkos in that time, and the thing should be dead. I hate warcry from my nins. Get procs so then everyone buffs and they use warcry right after I blood rage!

This and a thousand times this... I never let it go now.

[Churchill]

Is this crap event the one where I can get a GKT and cover more red procs on WAR? I forgets

[Gun-it]

This and a thousand times this... I never let it go now.

^^

[Minimax]

What daggers should I be using on DNC for DDing, assuming no Twashtar? Also what is the best evisceration set for DNC?