Random Question Thread XXII: You Know the Deal

[Ocara]

On that note, am I better off going the Revenant Fists+2 route or just sticking through to Verethragna? Currently using Taurine Cesti's.
I just about finished with Orctrap (He won't spawn again. sadface.) and I have been debating which path. I'm hoping to be on VNMs by early next week depending on my availability.

If you have a whm and thf or /thf for the whm that can help do canyon, just go for vere. When you decide you want to do vere later (and you will decide that after having smite) you will want to kill yourself redoing lotto spawn nm trials and vnms.

Edit: I should note that I'd suggest this if you're primarily on mnk; if you're not, canyon sucks ass and takes some time to do, and you might want to save the headache.

[Falaras]

Lol, what?

Having access to victory smite is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other mnk weapon.

That's what I thought I was just a little shocked when I heard people talk bad about the weapons, never even crossed my mind before that they wherent 2nd best to empyreans (not counting relics/mythics).

[Okan]

I figured as much. We run small with 4 people, but we have the "best" jobs for Abyssea. Myself as a MNK, a THF, BRD (Or WAR depending on what we're doing) and a WHM. Mixed +1's and 2's... So we're getting there. And I hate doing the lotto NMs

[cdgreg]

On that note, am I better off going the Revenant Fists+2 route or just sticking through to Verethragna? Currently using Taurine Cesti's.
I just about finished with Orctrap (He won't spawn again. sadface.) and I have been debating which path. I'm hoping to be on VNMs by early next week depending on my availability.

If you can somehow manage empy do it, but otherwise WoE. Personally, I was in the same situation thinking of kannigi and I was able to dual box sets whm + nin and kill bria and sobek, but that path is 50x easier than building chloris sets. I was actually looking into vere yesterday because my mnk mule is worthless without vere really. Considering how shitty light building is in tahrongi and the fact it takes like 3 pops to pop 1 of the nms that is 1/4 chloris pop I said fuck it and ill do woe h2h. But once again, if you have any chance to work with a group do vere, the aftermath is quite noticeable on NIN, so I imagine even more so on h2h.

edit: just saw your follow up post, you have a group of 4, do vere. I was thinking dual box or something

[Cairthenn]

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I just have it set as my default, has worked great.

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[Mikus]

I figured as much. We run small with 4 people, but we have the "best" jobs for Abyssea. Myself as a MNK, a THF, BRD (Or WAR depending on what we're doing) and a WHM. Mixed +1's and 2's... So we're getting there. And I hate doing the lotto NMs

As cdgreg said, just do Vere since you have the means. When I decided to do Rev. Fists I didn't have the means or a group to do Vere. I don't regret it one bit, but I am a little jealous still of those that do have Vere.

[dasva]

How can a whm have 0 refresh gear? Some of it is basic shit.



yes

Because it's a month old still 85 and has refresh dominion peice. That and it has 96 fishing and is 30k gp away from having ebisu fishing rod

[bigrougabagel]

Random question for the random question thread. Are ENMs capped at 75 or 90?

[dasva]

So since it was never answered before can normal short range blu spells hit the KS99 wyrm in the air?

And semi related how easy is Niddog now?

[finalwolf]

Random question for the random question thread. Are ENMs capped at 75 or 90?

All ENMs are capped at their original levels. So if the ENMS were capped at 75 back then, they are still capped at 75 now.
Just bringing up the first sentence, there are some ENMs capped at lv30, lv40, lv50 also.

[bigrougabagel]

All ENMs are capped at their original levels. So if the ENMS were capped at 75 back then, they are still capped at 75 now.
Just bringing up the first sentence, there are some ENMs capped at lv30, lv40, lv50 also.

Ah yes, I should have figured the 75 enms would be capped considering the 30 40 and 50 would remain capped. Thanks.

[Julian]

I did Rev Fists+2 first. There is nothing wrong with that weapon. It will boost your damage by a fuckton, and it's an awesome weapon. Not as good as Vereth, obviously, but it's still good and worthwhile.

Like I said, I did Rev+2 a few months ago, because I just didn't really have the means to do a Vere at the time. It has served me really fucking well this entire time. Redoing the NMs isn't that bad when you're ready to tackle the real thing.

Anyway, Vereth isn't that hard to do. I just finished both a Vereth and a Ukon 80 in only 5 days of work. About 33% of the time it was just my 3 characters. The most people I ever had holding KIs and stuff was like... 7, usually just 4-6. It's easy as fuck, especially if you do both Glavoid and Chloris at the same time. Never touched a single NM in that zone, only had to deal with retards fucking up with my cleaves. ;(

Since your group also has a war, just do both of them at the same time.

[Aylee]

Anyone willing to post their fudo build?

[Shiyo]

I also strongly suggest you get vere over rev fists +2, vere path isnt really that hard or time consuming at all.

[Chun Liroy]

I also strongly suggest you get vere over rev fists +2, vere path isnt really that hard or time consuming at all.

@ second part: lolwut? At least with respect to other paths, isn't it the most time consuming?

[Shiyo]

Twashtar takes a lot longer. It's no cara/crein or bria/sobek, but it's not long either.

[Chun Liroy]

Twashtar takes a lot longer. It's no cara/crein or bria/sobek, but it's not long either.

Honestly, I've never done a vereth so I wouldn't know, but ukon didn't take long, about 5 days of farming. Seems like Chloris would be a bitch to get ki for.

[Scrooge]

@ second part: lolwut? At least with respect to other paths, isn't it the most time consuming?

Not really. H2H/Polearm/Scythe is actually one of the easier 90 emps overall time wise. People only think it's bad because the perception of Tahrongi.

Dragua is by far the easiest of all Heroes paths. And Ulhuadshi is (tied with Cirein Croin) the easiest of the Scars paths.

Really only leave Chloris to be mildly annoying. And honestly, people grossly overestimate the time it takes to do Chloris and -- in my opinion -- relatively underestimate the amount of time it takes to do Briareus for example. The sheer amount of running around you have to do to pop the Briareus mobs is annoying as shit, people just don't usually factor that stuff in because of perception.

With how camped Guku is vs. Amun, it wouldn't surprise me if you could do Chloris => Ulhuadshi faster than you could do Briareus => Sobek.

And I guarantee you H2H/Scythe/Polearm to 90 is faster than Katana/Sword to 90. Certainly it's not as quick as Gun/GS/GK which is an outright joke, but Chloris/Ulhuadshi/Dragua compares favorably against anything else.

[Saiken]

Hey guys/gals just recently hit 80 synergy to make grim cuirass' but am having much trouble. i have the smithing and whatnot lvl'd so not that.
Ina nutshell i get the balances to dead on but it wont give me finish message. Any help would be much appreciated,spent all day trying to get one to finish
my last attempt was 69/70fire 35/35earth 20/20light 35/35dark rest of the elements being +/- no more then 7. /pullhairout. my apologies if this was suppose to be in the craft thread im new to forums again any help on this would be very much appreciated.

[Atoreis]

Not really. H2H/Polearm/Scythe is actually one of the easier 90 emps overall time wise. People only think it's bad because the perception of Tahrongi.

Dragua is by far the easiest of all Heroes paths. And Ulhuadshi is (tied with Cirein Croin) the easiest of the Scars paths.

Really only leave Chloris to be mildly annoying. And honestly, people grossly overestimate the time it takes to do Chloris and -- in my opinion -- relatively underestimate the amount of time it takes to do Briareus for example. The sheer amount of running around you have to do to pop the Briareus mobs is annoying as shit, people just don't usually factor that stuff in because of perception.

With how camped Guku is vs. Amun, it wouldn't surprise me if you could do Chloris => Ulhuadshi faster than you could do Briareus => Sobek.

And I guarantee you H2H/Scythe/Polearm to 90 is faster than Katana/Sword to 90. Certainly it's not as quick as Gun/GS/GK which is an outright joke, but Chloris/Ulhuadshi/Dragua compares favorably against anything else.

This is so far off....

You assumed a lot of things here and your talking about perception is funny because you actually lost it.
If you farm Chloris normally, then going from chukwa to skull then bats then clionind then limule then mandy then scorpions... its far more walking then bria and you need to farm 7 triggers and kill 8 NMs and stagger 4 of them. Its far far more time consuming then 3 popable NMs for Bria.
Maybe you assumed buying triggers for Chloris? Tarnished pincer 50k, shriveled wing 80k, bloodshot 25k, Exorcised skull 90k, Acidic humus 40k and you need to still farm items from bats and scorpions.
In addition you can have ppl camping chukwa in which case you can lose a lot of time.
Sure Chloris KI can be cleaved or even should and then you should do remaining ones from NMs but it in avg take far more time then doing Bria especially if you group is small like <4 and cant hold much KI from cleave. Babysitting some shout ppl for holding KI can be even worse (no flux, aggroing, no map etc.) Cleave requires building lights which takes about 1h in 3 man group. Especially perle is a bitch with JPs ruunning everywhere poping all vnms and 10-15 perle from NM. Bria you can just go in, pop, kill and call it a day.

Amun can be camped as much as Guku and you can get KIs from both from cleave much faster then camping them ( we were doing Sobeks for buyer last week and easily avg 4 KI from Guku in an hour of cleave and capping light in misar is really easy and fast ).

Apademak is far worse then Dragua but if you have a money then its the easiest one probably because its very easy to brew. If you brewing and buying you can probably avg the same time in finishing dragua and Apa and use 2 times less brew and 200k cruor is at least 500k gils.