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  1. 2011-07-12 10:57 #21
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    Code:
     SKILL	MND	MAB  Base    DE
210	77+00     0  196     607
220	77+5	  0  201     643
220	77+6      0  202     646
220     77+6      5  212     678
220     77+6      6  214     684
    When I skill up I can add more. I threw in a MAB change to see how MAB and skill interacted.

    EDIT: Looks like someone already added that while I was doing this lol
  2. 2011-07-12 11:03 #22
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    Okay, added. Because this is Paladin-ish, I guess I'll ask if anyone has done further Cover testing here!

    This is the testing I've seen so far: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Talk:Cover
  3. 2011-07-12 12:20 #23
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    Do the VIT gears have to stay on during the duration of cover, or do they only need to be on when you pop the JA?
  4. 2011-07-12 12:22 #24
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    For the duration
  5. 2011-07-12 12:47 #25
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    Hmm... interesting... so it wouldn't be a good idea to gear swap during cover effect... time for more spellcast rules...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annalise View Post
    Check the wiki atma page, but holy mountain is apparently a text error and is light accuracy and not damage. Thus, you'd be better off with a different atma if you're going for damage. Just throwing that out there, because I was disappointed to see it wasn't damage myself
    Did not know that, thanks for the clarity.


    Well, shit, so much for WHM nuking build
  7. 2011-07-12 17:53 #27
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    Some testing on cover. It appears that every time the PLD takes non-zero damage that would have been aimed at the cover target, a certain amount of enmity is gained by the PLD. Intimidations also appear to count.

    Testing on a mandy in La Thiene [A] that I meleed down to 2% without taking any damage or losing any shadows: Libra: Me: 100%, PLD 0%. Cover was activated, PLD took a number of hits for 0 damage due to phalanx/stoneskin, and intimidated the mandy once. After cover wore: Libra: Me: 100%, PLD 6%.

    Then, the PLD canceled stoneskin/phalanx and repeated the test, this time taking a number of hits for non-0 damage. Before Cover it was 100% Me 12% PLD (I assume due to volatile enmity decay), after Cover it was Me: 97%, PLD 100%.

    At no point did the PLD take any action on or do any damage to the mob.


    Testing should still be done to confirm that the cover target *loses* enmity, and not that the PLD just gains it for taking hits, but it seems likely given the description in the update.
  8. 2011-07-12 18:08 #28
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    This is odd. I was doing the test w/ Foldy. I got Crour buffs + Mounted champion for 81+~147 VIT. Used cover on him and it only lasted 30 seconds. Admittedly this was with no monster attacking, and no merits in cover duration.
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    +15 seconds is the cap, based on the link I posted earlier. Gaining Enmity for damage taken during Phalanx is what Cover always should have done.
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    Wow, shows yo how much I played PLD. I could have sworn the base duration was 30 seconds >.>
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    Heh =p

    Also, remember Mounted Champion has "Reduces Enmity loss from physical damage." If you're seeing positive enmity after taking damage, it could be a result of enmity negation + Mounted Champion instead of that actually being the way it's meant to work.
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    Well, I didn't have the atma on for the testing of cover, just when I noticed the duration I went and got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    +15 seconds is the cap, based on the link I posted earlier. Gaining Enmity for damage taken during Phalanx is what Cover always should have done.
    Are you saying that that's what it *did* do before the update, or are you lamenting the lateness of this change?
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    It didn't do that before the update. I'm lamenting the lateness of the change. It has always been stupid to Cover someone (which means they have more Enmity than you) and hemorrhage your Enmity while doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldypaws View Post
    At no point did the PLD take any action on or do any damage to the mob.
    PLD activated cover.

    EDIT: I know cover targets the person, but bgwiki shows it generating enmity. Do you have to be on the mob's hate list first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grevenilvec75 View Post
    PLD activated cover.

    EDIT: I know cover targets the person, but bgwiki shows it generating enmity. Do you have to be on the mob's hate list first?
    Yes, you have to be on the hate list before Cover will give you enmity, same as any other ability. In a seperate test, where the PLD stood behind the mob and did not intercept any attacks, Libra showed the PLD as having 0% hate after Cover ended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldypaws View Post
    Yes, you have to be on the hate list before Cover will give you enmity, same as any other ability. In a seperate test, where the PLD stood behind the mob and did not intercept any attacks, Libra showed the PLD as having 0% hate after Cover ended.
    Strange. I dont have to be on the hate list to gain enmity from curing someone, JAs are different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foldypaws View Post
    Yes, you have to be on the hate list before Cover will give you enmity, same as any other ability. In a seperate test, where the PLD stood behind the mob and did not intercept any attacks, Libra showed the PLD as having 0% hate after Cover ended.
    If you use a ja on someone who is on the hate list you gain emnity though. As far as 0% well pretty sure it rounds down. Which means the person with hate just had to have at least 100 total which is rediculously easy to get.
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    Ah fair enough. Might have given the PLD 1 enmity or something. Point is, that the *activation* of the JA is not a significant contribution to hate.
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