What's Better?

[Darkmagi]

It's 2.5 gil per 1 cruor, and I was just using it as an example of how easy it can be for an average player to make gil without even really trying.

[Delain]

Shijin Spiral body for MNK? Not doing VW, so not going to get Toci.

[Foldypaws]

I guess we differ on how we define trivial. I see trivial as = simple with little to no effort, and wouldn't classify solo farming dynamis, or farming cruor (4-4.5mil for 6.5m gil) purely for the gil for them as such. I do agree on Hyoui's (however it is a VW drop, so you could still get fucked over) for the most part.

Eh, trivial may have been sort of an exaggeration. You could still put together a 5-hit for the OAT lance in like, two weeks of casual play (no more than 2 hours a day). It doesn't require any 50m gil items or anything with a bullshit 1% drop rate.

[Palides]

Hm, that clears it up then. I hate those critless Hi's.

Well, time to gear up then :I

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/245995
I think with all my gear I already have a DEX bonus of 24 or so, oce+1 would put me at 37. oh this is exciting!

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/34368
as for TP, I was told to use Goading belt in place of Twilight from somebody. I don't remember who, but I don't see this as being true - but this is my current aspiration (the only piece im missing is usukane sune-ate i guess)
The pieces I'm iffy on is Iga Erimaki, is there something better? I imagine there is... I avoid using rancor collar for anything TP though, Tarutaru HP sometimes makes some hairy situations. . . Though I'd probably use it if I was in a situation where I'd be unlikely to take direct damage. but that doesnt really happen in VW.

edit: and one final thought (i've edited this like 3 times now), has Koga Chainmail +2 been proven any use over Iga or Ninja? I heard that the DW rate was only 3% on testing. and yet I think in the future it may become the best if they ever do decide to add a final DW... we only need 2%!

In VW, the agi of mobs is likely so high that you won't be hitting dDEX cap, even if mithra and 12 dex merits. Take that calculation with a grain of salt. Oce+1 should still be your best bet in that situation. Crit dmg/ws dmg MKD hat should win in all other situations unless you are seriously acc deprived. Rancor should be used at all times unless you are in danger of being one-shotted. Macros should make this fear negligible. Epona's on ws.

My TP - Need usu feet. Just lazy.

WS not acc capped

WS acc capped - add athos whenever I get it.

I can't mention Shun. Its 5/5 but I've honestly never used it.

Ninja+1 when acc capped and no marches. Koga+2 when not acc capped. Iga+2 when delay is capped [haste and marches.] Think of Koga+2 as the new ACP body. Dual wield and acc, for an acc starved job [at least in VW and some upper tier dyna content, eg anything worth doing.]

[Obsidian]

Shijin Spiral body for MNK? Not doing VW, so not going to get Toci.

I use Usukane for the accuracy, but Loki's probably works too. Beyond those two options, I have no idea.

[Delain]

I use Usukane for the accuracy, but Loki's probably works too. Beyond those two options, I have no idea.

I figured Lokis would be "ok" but since Shijin does not crit (that I am aware of) I am curious as to other options I am missing. Kirin's Osode "works" since it is 1 less DEX but 10 more STR over Loki's, but I feel there should be something better. That is the same reason I have ruled out the crafted version of Toci as well, since you gain STR over a small loss in DEX by using Osode.

[Nightfyre]

Hm, that clears it up then. I hate those critless Hi's.

Check my later post.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/245995
I think with all my gear I already have a DEX bonus of 24 or so, oce+1 would put me at 37. oh this is exciting!

Ditch the Iga back, there's better swaps that could be made if you're trying to boost dDEX. I'd also suggest dropping the second Stormsoul in favor of Epona's unless you specifically have low-hitrate situations in mind and are getting 4 WSC out of the ring.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/34368
as for TP, I was told to use Goading belt in place of Twilight from somebody. I don't remember who, but I don't see this as being true - but this is my current aspiration (the only piece im missing is usukane sune-ate i guess)
The pieces I'm iffy on is Iga Erimaki, is there something better? I imagine there is... I avoid using rancor collar for anything TP though, Tarutaru HP sometimes makes some hairy situations. . . Though I'd probably use it if I was in a situation where I'd be unlikely to take direct damage. but that doesnt really happen in VW.

Koga Hakama +2 and Iga Kyahan +2 (with Ninja Chainmail/+1 when able) would be better unless you're expecting high haste buffs. Neck vs Agasaya's will vary, Portus Collar would be a straight upgrade unless you're dealing with hitrate issues.

edit: and one final thought (i've edited this like 3 times now), has Koga Chainmail +2 been proven any use over Iga or Ninja? I heard that the DW rate was only 3% on testing. and yet I think in the future it may become the best if they ever do decide to add a final DW... we only need 2%!

It's trash.

[Nightfyre]

I figured Lokis would be "ok" but since Shijin does not crit (that I am aware of) I am curious as to other options I am missing. Kirin's Osode "works" since it is 1 less DEX but 10 more STR over Loki's, but I feel there should be something better. That is the same reason I have ruled out the crafted version of Toci as well, since you gain STR over a small loss in DEX by using Osode.

Augment your Osode.

[pugnax179]

Resolution on DRK

Ace's Mail, Twilight Mail, Grim +1 or Fazheluo R. Mail?

reposting this, oh yea, throwing armadaberk in the mix too

[Nattack]

Ditch the Iga back, there's better swaps that could be made if you're trying to boost dDEX.

like what, approximately how much dex am i going to need to beat out 5dex 3crit?

Koga Hakama +2 and Iga Kyahan +2 (with Ninja Chainmail/+1 when able) would be better unless you're expecting high haste buffs.

Somehow I don't believe this. Right now I've got +15 DW (depending on area/mob level) and capped haste, how is is Koga Hakama better? I've only got 2haste to lose, Koga Hakama means I need to make up for some haste - unless DW doesnt cap at 50% as I've been lead to believe

in which case I suppose it would be +22 DW (making 57 DW total) and 21 haste. meaning 4.numbers is removed for 7 DW.
If DW doesnt cap, then I see your point, if it does, I don't think you're right.

[Motenten]

unless DW doesnt cap at 50% as I've been lead to believe

DW doesn't cap at 50%.

[Nightfyre]

like what, approximately how much dex am i going to need to beat out 5dex 3crit?

It's not 5 DEX 3 crit, it's 5 DEX 3 crit -20 attack -3 DA. Cuchulain's Belt, Iga Tekko +2/Athos's Gloves, potentially even Thundersoul if you're getting full benefit. I'd mention Ocelomeh Headpiece/+1 but you're already using that so can't really consider it a swap. Note that out of all the pieces mentioned, the only one I use unless I'm specifically gearing for capped dDEX is the headpiece (and that only because of inventory constraints/poor luck with Shura +1 augments).

Somehow I don't believe this. Right now I've got +15 DW (depending on area/mob level) and capped haste, how is is Koga Hakama better? I've only got 2haste to lose, Koga Hakama means I need to make up for some haste - unless DW doesnt cap at 50% as I've been lead to believe

in which case I suppose it would be +22 DW (making 57 DW total) and 21 haste. meaning 4.numbers is removed for 7 DW.
If DW doesnt cap, then I see your point, if it does, I don't think you're right.

It doesn't cap at 50%.

[Nattack]

Don't "actually" have Oce +1 yet. it's the next buy though. or maybe Koga's then, as a noncapping DW is revelating to me and changes things.

[Darkmagi]

Rancor mantle + breeze gorget or Rancor mantle+ nefarious collar for ukko's?

[dasva]

It's 2.5 gil per 1 cruor, and I was just using it as an example of how easy it can be for an average player to make gil without even really trying.

If you are talking about blinkers it's a tad higher. Though kind of annoyingly long process to convert much that way. However the cell market is doing pretty good. So doing cobalt/rubicund it's more like 2.777 while being alot faster since you can spend 36k cruor at a time. Though alot of players are blowing thru cruor on VW. On the other hand if you don't care that much bam lots of gils

[Jem]

reposting this, oh yea, throwing armadaberk in the mix too

Grim +1 unless you need the acc or the STP from Armadaberk is needed.

Faz Mail has worse stats all around
Twilight has worse offensive stats
20 Attack > 2 STR unless attack capped (Ace's Mail)
99.9% certain 5 STR, 17 attack > DA+3 from Augmented Armadaberk otherwise WAR's would surely use AF3+2 Legs for Ukko's instead of Avant +1 (more STR on Avant I know but Reso is 100% STR compared to Ukko's 60%)



Own DRK question now. Ogier's Breeches or Bale Flanchard +2 for Catastrophe? Hoping it's Bale +2 but guessing it's Ogier's.

EDIT: Actually, secondary question. Ganesha's Mala, Bale Choker or Rancor Collar for Ragnarok TP set? Guessing shit is situational?

[Neisan]

Rancor mantle + breeze gorget or Rancor mantle+ nefarious collar for ukko's?

Couldn't get nefarious to beat Elegorget in any situation I could think of for War.

[Taint]

Grim +1 unless you need the acc or the STP from Armadaberk is needed.

Faz Mail has worse stats all around
Twilight has worse offensive stats
20 Attack > 2 STR unless attack capped (Ace's Mail)
99.9% certain 5 STR, 17 attack > DA+3 from Augmented Armadaberk otherwise WAR's would surely use AF3+2 Legs for Ukko's instead of Avant +1 (more STR on Avant I know but Reso is 100% STR compared to Ukko's 60%)



Own DRK question now. Ogier's Breeches or Bale Flanchard +2 for Catastrophe? Hoping it's Bale +2 but guessing it's Ogier's.

EDIT: Actually, secondary question. Ganesha's Mala, Bale Choker or Rancor Collar for Ragnarok TP set? Guessing shit is situational?

Ogrie for Cata.

[Jem]

Ogrie for Cata.

Cheers. That's what I thought. Was just hoping it wasn't since there's other VW mobs I need to concentrate on first.

[Bigsyke]

Actually, secondary question. Ganesha's Mala, Bale Choker or Rancor Collar for Ragnarok TP set? Guessing shit is situational?

Can't you use mala with rancor mantle? I'd imagine bale would be better if you lack the accuracy, but you are using Ragnarok.