What's Better?

[Foldypaws]

Thanks. Anyone have a rough idea what % MAB the fire damage + translates to anyway?

Well, ignoring the AGI on it, it's a 15% damage boost, so it would be equivalent to .15*(100+MAB in gear) MAB.

[Toth]

Okay then. Sorry to ask again but what lvl of the slayer atmacite would be needed to match the lvl 15 destruction?

I am asking because the cruor cost is rather high for each upgrade and I do not want to blow through all my cruor just yet.

[Radec]

Okay then. Sorry to ask again but what lvl of the slayer atmacite would be needed to match the lvl 15 destruction?

I am asking because the cruor cost is rather high for each upgrade and I do not want to blow through all my cruor just yet.

If you have 0 MAB gear, lvl15. If you have +50mab, then lvl 10. +100mab, lvl8.

[Toth]

Hmmm with my MAB setup at around +35 (and I have almost all of MAB gear available to COR) with additional bonuses from Vulcan and from af3 boots (+10 from NQ right?), it sounds like Slayer might not be worth the huge cruor cost. Unless I am missing something?

[Radec]

Hmmm with my MAB setup at around +35 (and I have almost all of MAB gear available to COR) with additional bonuses from Vulcan and from af3 boots (+10 from NQ right?), it sounds like Slayer might not be worth the huge cruor cost. Unless I am missing something?

Yes? Slayer gets better with more mab.

Assuming boots are multiplicative with staff and affinity:

(1.35[+35mab])*(1.15[Staff])*(1.1[Boots])*(1.15[lvl15 Slayer]) = 1.96x base damage (1.78 w/out boots bonus)
(1.50[+35+15mab])*(1.15[Staff])*(1.1[Boots]) = 1.89x base damage (1.725 w/out boots)

This doesn't factor in the +AGI at all, or +STR on TP-ing shots.

It's not a wtf upgrade, but it's definitely the better between the two, when both lvl15.

For +35mab in gear, you need lvl11 slayer to match the damage (discounting agi/str)

[Toth]

Okay that's what I was looking to hear. Basically I'll keep destruction until I can get Slayer up to past 11. Thanks!

[Mojo]

Has anybody done math regarding Prosilio Belt and Victory Smite vs. other waist options? My guttural response is Prosilio (5% DA is relatively small given the average fTP of that WS), but I haven't really done any kind of math.

[Kaita]

Zelus + Mextli vs AF3+2 head and AF3+2 body for BST?

[Motenten]

Has anybody done math regarding Prosilio Belt and Victory Smite vs. other waist options? My guttural response is Prosilio (5% DA is relatively small given the average fTP of that WS), but I haven't really done any kind of math.

Prosilio should be a pretty significant win over the next best options (about 2% ahead of Beir+1/Black/etc). Assuming you're using Atheling/Epona, you still want to use Brutal, though, even though it's essentially just cancelled out.

[Atoreis]

Prosilio should be a pretty significant win over the next best options (about 2% ahead of Beir+1/Black/etc). Assuming you're using Atheling/Epona, you still want to use Brutal, though, even though it's essentially just cancelled out.

I have Windbuffet +"fTP" at +4% over Prosilio
STR from prosillo at around +2.4%
So its 25 attack vs 1.6% increase?

Lets say you are at 1.8 cRatio with 900 attack (500def)
925 is 2.7% increase.

Overall Prosilio wins by 1%
Ofc its probably far from optimal on things like Ig alima or Rex when you are acc uncapped (not sure but probably anguinus will win on those).

[Mojo]

Uh, marginal gains on cRatio do not directly correlate to marginal gains on damage. You'd have to evaluate some kind of average pDIF increase.

[Motenten]

I have Windbuffet +"fTP" at +4% over Prosilio

Eh? How are you getting +fTP on the Windbuffet?

Increase in damage from 'nothing' to Windbuffet is about 2.0%-2.1%

Increase in damage from 'nothing' to Prosilio is 3.5% to 5.6% (assuming attack is not capped, of course)

If you -are- capping attack, Prosilio is only about a 1% gain, with most of the gain from WSC cancelled by the -DA. In that case, Beir +1 wins with WSC without the DA penalty (~2.5%-2.7% gain).

That in turn of course assumes you're not losing a significant fraction of your crit rate from the -dex, though you're likely to be floored on anything difficult, so probably not an issue.

And anything where you need the accuracy, Anguinus is going to be pushing at least 5% gain compared to 'nothing', though it appears it might be only barely better than an elemental belt, so either works there.

Windbuffet is unlikely to be the best choice for Smite under any circumstances.

This should be a better and more complete answer than my first one.

[Churchill]

And as far as Bier+1 vs Black, I just stick with BB. Plenty of mobs to fight that you don't need +1STR vs -7DEX on. Even on things like Ig-Alima on WAR, Rvg+2 pull ahead of Heafoc, Restraint up and down.

[Taim Meich]

wrong thread >_>

[Dignity]

Eh? How are you getting +fTP on the Windbuffet?

Increase in damage from 'nothing' to Windbuffet is about 2.0%-2.1%

Increase in damage from 'nothing' to Prosilio is 3.5% to 5.6% (assuming attack is not capped, of course)

If you -are- capping attack, Prosilio is only about a 1% gain, with most of the gain from WSC cancelled by the -DA. In that case, Beir +1 wins with WSC without the DA penalty (~2.5%-2.7% gain).

That in turn of course assumes you're not losing a significant fraction of your crit rate from the -dex, though you're likely to be floored on anything difficult, so probably not an issue.

And anything where you need the accuracy, Anguinus is going to be pushing at least 5% gain compared to 'nothing', though it appears it might be only barely better than an elemental belt, so either works there.

Windbuffet is unlikely to be the best choice for Smite under any circumstances.

This should be a better and more complete answer than my first one.

So while on the topic of Victory smite. Could you put up a modern setup of best smite gear set in situation where atk is non-capped? (almost anywhere.)

[Foxer]

Rajas/Pyrosoul, Rajas/Thundersoul or Rajas/Epona's for RR/Jin?
Rajas/Thundersoul or Rajas/Epona's for Shijin/Evi/DE?

Right now I don't have access to any other rings outside of the +7s from AH.

[Rehn]

Ele gorget or justiciar (or anything else) for shijin?

[Arthars]

Eh? How are you getting +fTP on the Windbuffet?

Increase in damage from 'nothing' to Windbuffet is about 2.0%-2.1%

Increase in damage from 'nothing' to Prosilio is 3.5% to 5.6% (assuming attack is not capped, of course)

If you -are- capping attack, Prosilio is only about a 1% gain, with most of the gain from WSC cancelled by the -DA. In that case, Beir +1 wins with WSC without the DA penalty (~2.5%-2.7% gain).

That in turn of course assumes you're not losing a significant fraction of your crit rate from the -dex, though you're likely to be floored on anything difficult, so probably not an issue.

And anything where you need the accuracy, Anguinus is going to be pushing at least 5% gain compared to 'nothing', though it appears it might be only barely better than an elemental belt, so either works there.

Windbuffet is unlikely to be the best choice for Smite under any circumstances.

This should be a better and more complete answer than my first one.

cutting and paste from atoreis,s ffxiah calculation to explain where the "ftp" comes from

1%QA on multihit is +0.06 to fTP
2%TA on multihit is +0.06 to fTP

Assuming it marginally decreases value of DA its around 0.11 to fTP so a little higher than elemental belt which means if you dont need accuracy this is the best WS belt for every WS that used elemental belt.

[Kyrogu1]

Questions, got a few things i need figured out.

wats better for: Mandau (mercy stroke) ws neck, justiciar's torque or ele gorget
Mandau (Mercy stroke) ws belt, prosilio belt, or ele belt


also, this seems close. for apex arrow, vision bow: dmg 97 str +5 ra +15.
or percept bow: dmg 93 agi +7 ra +14 increases crit hit dmg

im no good with these things, any help is appreciated

[noodles355]

Is Beguiling Collar ("Boosts Enmity Decrease when taking damage") worth anything in a mage idle set (Specifically Whm) or just stick with Twilight?