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    Would Nefarious Collar+Rancor Mantle be better than Rancor Collar+Pantin Cape for PUP tp set?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aja View Post
    Would Nefarious Collar+Rancor Mantle be better than Rancor Collar+Pantin Cape for PUP tp set?
    yeah

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    coming back to ninja stuff with sacrificing capped haste for DW, would Hasty pinion be worth using? or is losing 5% critdamage too terrible.... I doubt the StoreTP penalty comes into account at all.
    it should be swappable due to being in the ammoslot, yeah?

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    Solo Exenterator: Denali or Toci's?
    Stacked SA/TA Exenterator: Loki's or Toci's?
    Solo SA: Loki's or Toci's?

    Finally, better off in RQT but linked to this so posting here: Does Toci's fit anywhere in a Thf TP set anymore? Or does AF3+2 Head/body/legs AF2+2 Feet & Haste hands reign supreme?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoreis View Post
    yeah
    Careful though. With max merits, you will need a faith torque to reach the next dmg tier as PUP. Unless you want to sacrifice Brutal for Bruiser?

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    Oh, well I could use Bruiser instead of Aesir Ear Pendant?

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    Why in the hell would you swap brutal for bruiser?lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattack View Post
    coming back to ninja stuff with sacrificing capped haste for DW, would Hasty pinion be worth using? or is losing 5% critdamage too terrible.... I doubt the StoreTP penalty comes into account at all.
    it should be swappable due to being in the ammoslot, yeah?
    The -STP absolutely does matter. Pinion is only for recasts and even there it's not particularly useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atoreis View Post
    3%TA, probably a lot crit rate from dDEX, in most cases base dmg up from 13STR should easily beat other option but idc for PUP tbh :D
    You're actually totally right (and as a consequence, I was totally wrong). I just checked the different sets in the spreadsheet, and ocelomeh(NQ)+toci's comes clearly ahead, head +1 being of course much better due to quasi-capping gear haste (this is asuming Athos's boots in the feet slot, any other 3% haste option would do pretty much the same).

    First thing I did after getting Toci's was precisely checking this, so I don't know why I thought then that AF3+2 was better. In any case, I'm changing my TP set right now, thanks for the correction!

    Edit: against very, very hard stuff AF3+2 will perform better, but then again, it's with made-up numbers I tossed trying to emulate Jeuno tier 3+ NMs.

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    For PLD CdC:
    Tumbler Trunks vs Avant Cuisses +1
    Lithe Boots vs Jingang Greaves

    *Edit
    I realize Augmented Hecatomb would be better, but I don't have those yet.

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    Is Blade: Shun worth unlocking/meriting, or is it Blade: Jin all the time all the way?

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    Is Genbu's Kabuto a terrible choice for Upheaval? I have ravager's mask +1, still working on +2, but in the mean time 15 vit looks pretty good. Should I bother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talint View Post
    Is Blade: Shun worth unlocking/meriting, or is it Blade: Jin all the time all the way?
    Pretty Sure Shun pulls ahead outside unless you have Kannagi.

    Quote Originally Posted by grevenilvec75 View Post
    Is Genbu's Kabuto a terrible choice for Upheaval? I have ravager's mask +1, still working on +2, but in the mean time 15 vit looks pretty good. Should I bother?
    Against weaker mobs outside/capped attack Genbu's is decent, otherwise even the +1 head is probably better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodles355 View Post
    Solo Exenterator: Denali or Athos's (depends whether I need the acc or not)
    Stacked SA/TA Exenterator: Athos's
    Solo SA: Athos's
    That's what I've been using so far.

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    Which Kabuto +1 augments are better for Victory Smite...?

    STR+4 Weaponskill Damage +2%

    Weaponskill Damage +3% (no STR, or any other useful stats)

    If the STR+4 Kabuto wins out, will any amount of Attack (~5-6 seems common enough) push a 3% Kabuto ahead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    Which Kabuto +1 augments are better for Victory Smite...?

    STR+4 Weaponskill Damage +2%

    Weaponskill Damage +3% (no STR, or any other useful stats)

    If the STR+4 Kabuto wins out, will any amount of Attack (~5-6 seems common enough) push a 3% Kabuto ahead?
    For a given target/setup:

    No augment: 1490
    WSDmg +3%: 1535
    Str +4: 1510
    Str +4, WSDmg +2%: 1540
    WSDmg +3%, Att +3: 1540
    WSDmg +3%, Att +6: 1550
    Str +4, WSDmg +3%: 1556

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    grip for drg (assuming i don't need rose)

    claymore vs uthers

    other suggestions? brave? pole?

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    If it doesn't affect xhit Sword is an option, Otherwise I'd probably just use pole. Both brave and uther's are fairly subpar.

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    base tp/hit is calculated off the reduced delay, which would make the already difficult-to-5hit 492 delay even worse, pole it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaope View Post
    That's what I've been using so far.
    Not having Athos, I posted the above question. And before you say "Get athos", I would have thought it quite obvious the question is "As I dont have Athos yet, which of these in the meantime?"
    "I use Athos" doesn't really help me trying to find out exactly where Toci's fits into my thief setup, which is why I posted the above.

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