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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    When I put it in the spreadsheet for DNC, STR Thokcha wins with any offhand and as an offhand for Twashtar against every opponent except under kind of strange conditions (like Climactic Rudra's only or Evisceration with Coruscanti offhand).

    For people that won't make magian daggers though, it's a good mainhand.
    Hows it for an Offhand to say, Mandau? 1 STR and 7 Attack beats superior DPS And 3% Critical hit Damage increase :X? (I'm assuming 3%, I'm going to test it myself). What situations are you trying it on? Just can't see me really needing that 7 attack on most things i fight... Having Berserk, RCB, and Even Stalwarts... Well, I'm asking you for so much more info, I'll give you a little more for me!

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    Right now thats what i use, Working on Nefarious/Rancor set up too (So can you plug that in as well :X?). I have a Flame Thokcha as well so it won't be a problem... Either way Byrth :O trust you!

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    Am I right in thinking that in terms of adding power to cure spells, now:

    1 Healing Skill = 2 MND = 4 VIT?

    Is this the case for C1-6 or C1-4 and then 5-6 are different (as before)?

    I'm thinking the former but uncertain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raen Ryong View Post
    Am I right in thinking that in terms of adding power to cure spells, now:

    1 Healing Skill = 2 MND = 4 VIT?
    True for all cures, just the value of 1 power to the strength of the cure varies depending on level.

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    Ukko's Fury:
    Ukon/Claymore/___/Ravager
    AF3+2/Rancor/Moonshade/Brutal
    Phorcys/Phorcys/Pyrosoul/Rajas
    Atheling/Pipilaka/Phorcys?/AF3+2

    Including set bonuses:
    Korazin: 16 STR, +5% Attack, WS damage+7%
    Mitts: 11 STR, 15 Attack, 2% DA

    Dirs : 5 STR, 10 DEX, 24 Attack
    Avant +1 : 8 STR, 15 Attack, 2% DA
    Ogier's : 20 Attack/Acc, WS damage +3%

    Would you guys use something else for belt/back too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Ukko's Fury:
    Ukon/Claymore/___/Ravager
    AF3+2/Rancor/Moonshade/Brutal
    Phorcys/Phorcys/Pyrosoul/Rajas
    Atheling/Pipilaka/Phorcys?/AF3+2

    Including set bonuses:
    Korazin: 16 STR, +5% Attack, WS damage+7%
    Mitts: 11 STR, 15 Attack, 2% DA

    Dirs : 5 STR, 10 DEX, 24 Attack
    Avant +1 : 8 STR, 15 Attack, 2% DA
    Ogier's : 20 Attack/Acc, WS damage +3%

    Would you guys use something else for belt/back too?
    Pretty sure gorget+rancor mantle > rancor+atheling, and windbuffet should beat pipilaka.

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    Byrth you know that's bad and this post upsets me.

    Those hands would be better than 5ACC/4CDMG Heca+1 in situations you didn't need 5ACC and better than AF3+2 or Avant+1 in similar situations. Difference is 0.003~0.004% !

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    How does Thaumas body fare against tantra+2
    Impetus down, impetus up, victory smite?

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    Impetus down TP/WS, Impetus up WS.

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    It wins with Impetus up as well. The massive multi attack outweighs losing the +crit damage, str, attack during tp phase.

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    Yeah for TP phase, I derped and forgot it only needs to be on to WS as it's applied retroactively.

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    For harder VW anyways, the damage loss in the tp phase seems to not be worth it at all. I would be cautious TPing in thaumas body on anything but fodder with impetus up.

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    I know it's likely been asked a dozen times, but it's difficult to search for successfully... but for DD, what are the two/three best atmacites to upgrade?

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    For int based enfeebles, rdm:

    80+64 int 440 skill
    or
    80+57 int 455 skill
    or
    80+49 int 473 skill

    In general, should I shoot for 500 skill first and int (or mnd really) after?

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    The only INT based enfeeble you'd really need INT build for potency is Blind (which has a really low cap of a mere +20 INT going by lolwiki), the rest are either static, based on enfeebling, or won't land on anything that needs that much magic accuracy.

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    Bind too.

    As for the question, use max potency (INT). You likely won't land or utilize those on NMs. If you can land them, you're likely to want maxed skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maguile View Post
    Dies Irae or Maschu +2 inside/outside?

    Hate to lose UF but I can easily drop Entropy for Upheaval.
    ^^^

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    RE: GA: Dies Irae is awful for anything of worth, but MAschu+2 has low base D. Inside Accuracy isn't an issue so it's probably worth using there, outside I would look into getting another GA for harder mobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrthnoth View Post
    Ukko's Fury:
    Ukon/Claymore/___/Ravager
    AF3+2/Ele Gorget/Moonshade/Brutal
    Phorcys/Phorcys/Pyrosoul/Rajas
    Rancorous/Windbuffet/Ogier/AF3+2
    Bolded fixes, legs are an awful choice for WS. Ogier (barely)> Heactomb crit +4 = Avant+1 (honestly, previous three are all about the same, avant is better than Hecatomb depending on fSTR) > Hachiryu > Ravager's > Phorcys.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maguile View Post
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    Dies Irae > Maschu +2 accuracy supporting. If you have Ukon's aftermath, it falls far behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Soda View Post
    How does Thaumas body fare against tantra+2
    Impetus down, impetus up, victory smite?
    Thaumas is the best TP piece regardless of Impetus. Terrible for VS. Use Tantra +2/Toci's for Impetus up/down.

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    How does Aluh Jabiya fair in the dagger tiers? I have a DEX/AGI Thokcha and a Triplus Dagger. I plan on getting a STR Thokcha when I can, just not much time in-game atm.

    Main hand Aluh Jambiya, what would be better to offhand? Triplus Dagger, or DEX/AGI Thokcha depending on the WS I'm using?

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    Triplus has been crap for 6~ months and Aluh clearly beats str magian barring a hidden effect just by looking at the thing.

    Does relic+2 nin feet still beat other options for Hi outside?

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