What's Better?

[Khajit]

Atheling by far whenever I checked.

[Deadgye]

Nifty should beat out aethling for anything sa related.

[Kuishen]

Nifty should beat out aethling for anything sa related.

Not even close... Attack in high values such as Atheling will do way more for SA or TA then 5 Dex. Not to mention the double attack on it.

[Deadgye]

Not even close... Attack in high values such as Atheling will do way more for SA or TA then 5 Dex. Not to mention the double attack on it.

You do realize nifty has attack on it right? 11atk 3da vs 5.75dex. That dex boost is going to increase damage more, and da is minuscule on thief.

[Kuishen]

You do realize nifty has attack on it right? 11atk 3da vs 5.75dex. That dex boost is going to increase damage more, and da is minuscule on thief.

I do, and while I don't have access to the game atm to go test this on some trash mobs naked, I'm 95% sure I'm right. If double attack procs, that's an exponential increase in damage over the dex. 8% is not exactly miniscule since you should be SAing in Brutal as well. This is similar to the comparison of Scouter's Rope vs. Fierce Belt @ level 75 for Trick Attack.

Not to mention if TRIPLE attack procs, you're gaining the extra attack on those subsequent hits as well, where the dex will do nothing, because in SA gear you'll be near dDEX cap outside and are always capped inside.

It may be closer than the comparison I mentioned before but Atheling will still win unless you have really high attack values already, which short of having a drink up + rcb in abyssea, is almost never.

[Deadgye]

Inside abyssea 13%da only procs ~8.6% of the time. But regardless for normal SA you're probably right. Any weapon skill with SA nifty should still win however, or at least be even.

[Arthars]

just being curious.... since empy in offhand still gives the stats (eg. 15 agi from kannagi, no WS tho)

is mandau mainhand + twashtar offhand any good?

[Shiyo]

SA in brutal? o_O I was SAing/TAing in merman's earring x2. Are 2/3 dex earrings superior to mermans or no? Wiki also says each point of dex is +1 weapon damage, +5 weapon damage seems a lot better than 11 attk...

Guess I'll NPC my nifty and save 1 inventory slot, yay. Does this mean anguinus belt could beat cuchulains for evis or SA? Or warwolfs belt?

[Obsidian]

I thought SA/TA were unaffected by Double/Triple attack?

[Pandorablue]

Trying to piece together a MDT/MDB set that works for both NIN and MNK, just wondering if you could help me fill in the blanks:

---/---/---/Demonry Stone
(Suijin?)/Twilight/Merman/Merman
???/Denali/Merman/Merman (until I get a better Dark Ring or can afford Minerva's)
Colossus/Lt. Sash/???/???

I was thinking Kirin Osode for body for the INT and MND. Not a clue on legs or feet. The set as it is has roughly capped MDT- given capped Shell V.

[Dooom]

Unless whatever you're fighting is really really strong (top tier VW maybe), I don't bother putting in int and stuff once my MDT is capped, and if pure MDB isn't available; instead I figure it's better to try and keep as much DD gear on as possible and keep killing whatever I'm fighting. Dropping all your haste to shave a handful of damage doesn't seem worthwhile in most situations.

[Pandorablue]

Unless whatever you're fighting is really really strong (top tier VW maybe), I don't bother putting in int and stuff once my MDT is capped, and if pure MDB isn't available; instead I figure it's better to try and keep as much DD gear on as possible and keep killing whatever I'm fighting. Dropping all your haste to shave a handful of damage doesn't seem worthwhile in most situations.

That's the way I play when it comes to evasion, so I think I'll just leave my TP gear in where the ???s are... should I go for Suijin then for the MDB though?

[Kuishen]

SA in brutal? o_O I was SAing/TAing in merman's earring x2. Are 2/3 dex earrings superior to mermans or no? Wiki also says each point of dex is +1 weapon damage, +5 weapon damage seems a lot better than 11 attk...

Guess I'll NPC my nifty and save 1 inventory slot, yay. Does this mean anguinus belt could beat cuchulains for evis or SA? Or warwolfs belt?

Until a piece of equipment with a high attack value comes along or something with 10+ dex for the ear slot comes along, Brutal is always going to be best in slot for SA/TA. As for DEX earrings vs. mermans, that I don't know. Both are relatively low in their respective values so it'd be close. I personally use pixie earring just to save space.

Anguinus will beat warwolf belt, possibly cuch but I don't have an anguinus yet so I use Cuch for SA. Warwolf has always been a mediocre piece for THF anyways. For Evis I think Cuch will win, especially outside abyssea.

I thought SA/TA were unaffected by Double/Triple attack?

I have no idea what gave you that notion. If you've played thf for more than 5 mins you will have noticed that DA/TA can proc on SA or TA.

[Hyriu]

That's the way I play when it comes to evasion, so I think I'll just leave my TP gear in where the ???s are... should I go for Suijin then for the MDB though?

If you have the cash to spare Avalon Breastplate for MNK, nothing's really worth it on NIN. Avalon's good for THF SAM too and a lot of other jobs I don't care about.

[Athas]

I just realized I've been sitting on a Behemoth Key for quite a while now, but I can't seem to decide what to do with it.

Between BLM and RDM I can't decide PDT/Movespeed or PDT/Haste, or if there's something else more useful. I do already have Cuisses but not Gaiters.

[Neisan]

I just realized I've been sitting on a Behemoth Key for quite a while now, but I can't seem to decide what to do with it.

Between BLM and RDM I can't decide PDT/Movespeed or PDT/Haste, or if there's something else more useful. I do already have Cuisses but not Gaiters.

Cure potency if you care about healing.

[Obsidian]

I have no idea what gave you that notion. If you've played thf for more than 5 mins you will have noticed that DA/TA can proc on SA or TA.

What I meant was that DA/TA have no effect on your SA/TA damage, just your white damage. Your phrasing makes it sound like you think extra rounds benefit from the damage boost of SA/TA.

[Atoreis]

What I meant was that DA/TA have no effect on your SA/TA damage, just your white damage. Your phrasing makes it sound like you think extra rounds benefit from the damage boost of SA/TA.

No he meant that beside being an "SA round" it's also a normal melee round and lowering your chance for additional TP and damage from DA/TA to improve main hit is not always better.

[Mikus]

Working on Ninja WS set and not sure what's priority to improve next. Earring is Centaurus(+10att). Belt is Anguinus and back is Iga. I also have Atheling.


Also, for Rdm nuking and Aeolian Edge, what's best feet? I'm currently using Nebula Pigaches. Thanks~

[BerenTebogo]

Been out of it for a while on RDM, besides Maat's Cap, are there any good options for RDM nuking headpiece besides AF1? I really, really, really want to avoid doing the stupid AF quests if I can.

Edit: I'm retarded, I didn't even look at AF3+1/2. Well, since I brought up the subject, anyone want to share their 90 RDM nuke sets?