What's Better?

[Byrthnoth]

What the shit? Did they patch that? I'd swear I couldn't swap instruments when I was doing my dagger trials on BRD/NIN.

[shaddix]

I think I remember having TP in merit parties at 75 on brd?

[Kensagaku]

I changed staves so I don't. Apollo for lullaby, terra for elegy!

[noodles355]

What the shit? Did they patch that? I'd swear I couldn't swap instruments when I was doing my dagger trials on BRD/NIN.

Nope, instruments never lost your TP, or at least not for a good 5 years or so.

[noodles355]

Still wondering on Anguinus Belt vs Crudelis Belt for TAWS and Anguinus Belt vs Warwolf/Cuchulain's for SAWS. And Anguinus vs Cuchulain's for non-stacked WS?

Also still wondering if MaB/QD delay Mirke + 4/5 AF3+2 is the best bet for Quick Draw or if there's better options (AF1 Hat?)

[dasva]

Still wondering on Anguinus Belt vs Crudelis Belt for TAWS and Anguinus Belt vs Warwolf/Cuchulain's for SAWS. And Anguinus vs Cuchulain's for non-stacked WS?

Also still wondering if MaB/QD delay Mirke + 4/5 AF3+2 is the best bet for Quick Draw or if there's better options (AF1 Hat?)

Don't stack agi for TAWS. TA and SA bonuses only apply to the first hit and are added in after ftp. So dex/agi even when SA/TA generally wont add as much as a stat mod (yeah I know most stat mods are dex but still you get what I mean. Don't value it much more than you would've) or fstr. Pretty much cuchulains or elemental for any dex modded ws really irregardless of TA/SA status.

af1 hat will add the most dmg to your average QD other than maybe ws dmg/mab hat overall. Well unless you get really lucky on the random stat and get a whole bunch of mab on wyrmal head lol. af3+2 will give greater chance to uber epeen and up acc I guess if you are failing alot. wyrmal head can have - qd recast which will up your frequency a bit assuming there is no cap on -qd recast and you actually take advantage of that

[noodles355]

The only weaponskills worth stacking with TA are Relic/Mythic/Empy WS and Shark Bite. Solo TA and Solo DE/Evis is more damage than TADE/TAEvis even if timer and TP align perfectly (not counting JA delay). The bulk of the damage comes from that first strong hit, hence crudelis becomes an option. What I'm wondering is if that 5AGI 5STR is better or worse than 15 Att and 1% DA. I know Cuch is the best SAWS piece, however lacking that curious about warwolf. And for when I do get off my behind and buy Cuchu belt, if anguinus's 5Att 1%DA will be better than the 6Dex for unstacked WSs. I'll probably keep it for unstacked WS over cuch just for when the acc is needed if the difference is small.

So best for QD would be AF/AF+1 hat, Mirke and 3/5 +2 you think? But then the hands are the same: they're only there for set bonus and have no actual good QD stats on. Ditto legs excluding the STP. Would really be interested in seeing other people's QD sets.

[Churchill]

From what I've seen from Rudra's, Ele/Anguinus are better outside, Cuch inside.

Edit: Mainly looking at VW level stuff outside, so accuracy is important. Don't really care to look at fodder stuff outside but I'm sure an Abys WS set will work.

[BahamutRicker]

Currently working on Ukon.

Is the 5 hit setup the best? or does it sacrifice too much and the 6 hit is comparable?

I have the very first campaign medal, but will get to work on rose strap if it is a better build.

Thanks

[Churchill]

With what you sacrifice at the moment, 6 hit is better.

[Limlight]

for drk tp:

calmecac trousers vs ace's hose

is being able to drop blitz ring for something else better than 2% da/ta? and the extra attack you'll gain with ace's.

[dasva]

The only weaponskills worth stacking with TA are Relic/Mythic/Empy WS and Shark Bite. Solo TA and Solo DE/Evis is more damage than TADE/TAEvis even if timer and TP align perfectly (not counting JA delay). The bulk of the damage comes from that first strong hit, hence crudelis becomes an option. What I'm wondering is if that 5AGI 5STR is better or worse than 15 Att and 1% DA. I know Cuch is the best SAWS piece, however lacking that curious about warwolf. And for when I do get off my behind and buy Cuchu belt, if anguinus's 5Att 1%DA will be better than the 6Dex for unstacked WSs. I'll probably keep it for unstacked WS over cuch just for when the acc is needed if the difference is small.

So best for QD would be AF/AF+1 hat, Mirke and 3/5 +2 you think? But then the hands are the same: they're only there for set bonus and have no actual good QD stats on. Ditto legs excluding the STP. Would really be interested in seeing other people's QD sets.

Your right about what ws to use it on and the first hit being strong... however like I said the agi/dex bonus from ta/sa is factor after ftp and only on first hit. Solo TA + any ws would be more dmg than TAWS if it wasn't for the critting thing. Like I said don't gear for agi for TAWS ws mod will almost always be better. Also like I said for pretty much any dex modded ws that you will use endgame the best 2 belts will cuch and elemental. Wether you have SA and/or TA up has so little effect on gearing for ws it doesn't change that. About the only thing SA/TA should change on your ws gearing is your gloves. Well and maybe acc gear though having a dex modified ws kinda gives you a leg up on acc to begin with

Yeah the difference there is there are no MAB gloves. Though I suppose you could do stp or the tp bonus ones. However the stat bonus does do something. It averages it to pretty low increase in dmg but better than nothing. Legs is kinda a wash I'd have to do the numbers with some builds to see how well 3 mab stacks against a chance for set bonus... though the stp on af3+2 is nice too

[shaddix]

I changed staves so I don't. Apollo for lullaby, terra for elegy!

Oh yeah that's right I didn't. It was my buddy who it took me nearly a year to convince him that staves affected resist rate. He was just using earth staff for the pdt and would pop a Sunburst every now and then. Never subbed nine either.

[Byrthnoth]

Ah, that explains why I thought that then. Kind of stupid that they made swapping instruments not lose TP, but refuse to make swapping staves not lose TP. The whole "Occult Accumen" and mage WSs would make a lot more sense if you could keep TP when you swapped staves.

[Taint]

for drk tp:

calmecac trousers vs ace's hose

is being able to drop blitz ring for something else better than 2% da/ta? and the extra attack you'll gain with ace's.

For the mobs where the ACC loss is acceptable Calmecac. So aweful to look at though, I just sold mine out of disgust.

[Limlight]

yea that's my thing. I put them on and nearly threw up so I'm trying to find some sort of justification to NOT wear them (my relic drg buddy thinks they're sexy...jesus it kills me MY EYES THEY BURN).

[Rehn]

Would mirke body with crit+3/acc or atk be good for dnc evis? Or should I just stick to kaftan? All outside abyssea.

[Byrthnoth]

Crit/Atk+10 is probably the best Evisc body outside Abyssea that you can get at the moment.

[Valisk]

For the mobs where the ACC loss is acceptable Calmecac. So aweful to look at though, I just sold mine out of disgust.

yea that's my thing. I put them on and nearly threw up so I'm trying to find some sort of justification to NOT wear them (my relic drg buddy thinks they're sexy...jesus it kills me MY EYES THEY BURN).

Why no DAT swaps?

[shen]

A few points:
* Swapping instruments loses your TP, eh?
* You'll want to use Rancor Collar are your Evisc neck all the time
* You'll probably get more out of Attack +7 (or Attack+4/25 TP Bonus) than a 3 DEX earring on Evisc
* Augment your Heca gear if possible.
* TP in Zelus Tiara and AF2 or AF2+1 body if you have it.
* If you aren't using the Acc from the DEX Kila, the STR Kila is better.
* AF2 or AF2+1 body is a better option for WS than Osode.
* Rajas is going to be king outside Abyssea. Inside Abyssea a second Thundersoul ring may perform better, but you'd be better off selling both of them, downgrading to a DEX+5 ring, and buying Dusk Gloves +1. With Zelus Tiara, that gives you 26% Haste and frees up your ranged slot for a march instrument.

Thanks ^^ As said yeah, you can swap instruemnts. I'm currently using Oliphant for WS (3 Acc/Atk) but you can also swap into an Ammo piece and back to an instrument without losing TP. Would Thunder Sachet be better (or something else?)?

I'm sitting at 26% Haste already (Angel Lyre gives 2%) so I don't need Dusk +1 atm. If Calmecac Trousers are indeed better than augmented Haidate, I'll put Dusk or Zelus in to make up for the Haste.

Lastly, would AF2(+1) body beat Osode w/ Crit/Attack augments?