What's Better?

[dasva]

INT bonus' Tier multiplier is 2 because you told me it was, I do not see that anywhere though is my point.

Oh that... their just isn't much if any spell info for any blu spells past 75 on the wiki's themselves. You kinda just have to know or know where to find what mod it is and how much. Though most of blu's higher ones are 2.

[lolwut]

Cross posting from the PYG thread for feedback.

Some people in my ls were arguing for Radiant Mail+Fazheluo Helm +1 set over Armadaberk (6 stp/3 da) + Zelus set. I did a quick comparison (no maffs, just a comparison) and didn't see the Mail/Helm winning, but I wanted to post it here because it's quite possible I missed or undervalued something trying to quickly run through it while doing VW.

input /equip body "Fazheluo R. Mail";
input /equip head "Fazheluo Helm +1";
input /equip neck "Ravager's Gorget";
input /equip waist "Phasmida Belt";
input /equip legs "Rvg. Cuisses +2";
input /equip feet "Rvg. Calligae +2";
input /equip ring1 "Tyrant's Ring";
input /equip ammo "Ravager's Orb";
input /equip sub "Claymore Grip";
input /equip ring2 "Rajas Ring";
input /equip ear1 "Moonshade Earring";
input /equip ear2 "Brutal Earring";
input /equip hands "Rvg. Mufflers +2";
input /equip back "Atheling Mantle";
input /equip main "Ukonvasara";

vs

input /equip waist "Ninurta's Sash";
input /equip ring1 "Rajas Ring";
input /equip sub "Claymore Grip";
input /equip ammo "Hagneia Stone";
input /equip back "Atheling Mantle";
input /equip ring2 "Oneiros Ring";
input /equip hands "Rvg. Mufflers +2";
input /equip ear1 "Brutal Earring";
input /equip ear2 "Ravager's Earring";
input /equip neck "Ravager's Gorget";
input /equip head "Zelus Tiara";
input /equip body "Armada Hauberk";
input /equip main "Ukonvasara";
input /equip legs "Rvg. Cuisses +2";
input /equip feet "Rvg. Calligae +2";

Radiant Mail set

50 str
80 atk
10 stp
20 da
25 acc
14 dex

vs Ebody set

43 str
63 atk
25 dex
15 stp
19 da
2 ta
25 dex
38 acc

Most people mentioned the double attack set bonus as the reason mail/helm was better, but with 19 da (34 with base da) + 2 ta vs 20 da (35 with base da), Ebody set gets 3 possible extra swings per 100. Ebody set is less likely to over tp (waiting for moonshade tics) and has a more solid 6 hit (can miss the second swing of Ukkos and still hit 100 tp), more accuracy for non fodder mobs, and can use moonshade for ws.

Am I missing anything that gives an advantage to the Radiant Mail set?

[dasva]

Am I missing anything that gives an advantage to the Radiant Mail set?

Yes. The sets vary a bit by more than those peices in ways that aren't necessary. (kinda hard to tell at first given the completely different ordering of the slots.) Some are debatable sidegrades Such as ninurta's sash vs Phasmida Belt.

But like part of your argument is the better store tp on admana set when you use an extra store peice on it that you don't on the radiant mail set. Put in Hagneia Stone instead of Ravager's Orb and you can do a couple of things. You could take out moonshade and put in ravagers... making it basically 2 more DA vs 2 more TA closer to the same amount of swings so set bonus might even it out. Or more likely take out tyrant and put in Oneiros Ring. This would require 0-4 tics of moonshade depending on misses and how much store tp you feel like wsing in as well as DA/TA procs... But would grant you 1 more DA with same amount of TA and closer to same acc. Less acc for sure but more att so depends on what you fighting.

I'm sure there are other possibilities but you get the idea. Also did you factor acc from skill? Was their acc on the moonshade?

[Neviskio]

Ganesha's mask, I guess excluding mnk in tp phase is just a....terribad piece? Also what would be the right condition to use it on mnk? I kinda have some ideas but still...not sure I want.

[Seol]

Put in Hagneia Stone instead of Ravager's Orb

WAR can't use Hagneia Stone or whatever :X

[Seol]

Put in Hagneia Stone instead of Ravager's Orb

WAR can't use Hagneia Stone :X

[dasva]

WAR can't use Hagneia Stone :X

Didn't realize that. My point still stands of him putting it in 1 build and not in one and then saying that build doesn't have enough store tp lol

[Churchill]

Better question is why would a WAR be using regain moonshade, also set bonus never procs for WAR it is merely a myth.

Better option for Faz set would be to use 1%haste grip+tyrants+goading for STP/capped haste.

[Julio]

Ganesha's mask, I guess excluding mnk in tp phase is just a....terribad piece? Also what would be the right condition to use it on mnk? I kinda have some ideas but still...not sure I want.

Ganesha's mask was tested to outperform other head options during TP phase. I can't find a link right now, but perhaps someone else can.

Basic conclusions of the testing were:

Ganesha's Mask when capped ACC, uncapped ATT
Tantra Crown +2 when uncapped fSTR
Brisk Mask when uncapped ACC

[TheUnspeakable]

WAR Ukko's fury outside abyssea:


Twilight vs. Zahak. 5 STR/DEX and 25 Accy seems better than 3% crit rate. Is there anything else I should consider? augmented Ebody? I don't have rose strap so I doubt I can make anything other than a 6-hit.

Head piece:
AF3+2 mask vs Twilight helm vs. Faz Head +2. 3% Crit + 4% DA +14 Accy seems better than 10 Dex +9attk, I'm not sure about the faz head for Ukko.

Hands:
AF3+2 Hands vs. Heca+1 with augment
at the moment I'm using AF3+2 but i'm trying to augment heca+1 with crit+4,
but will crit +4 and accy> 1str and 4 dex with restraint down?

Legs:
AF3+2 atm anything else worth looking at? I don't have heca legs atm, but if they augment nicely maybe an option? or B.Haidate with crit+?

Feet:
AF3+2 anything compare to the crit increase? Heca feet with crit+?

[Taint]

Better question is why would a WAR be using regain moonshade, also set bonus never procs for WAR it is merely a myth.

Better option for Faz set would be to use 1%haste grip+tyrants+goading for STP/capped haste.

^ This, esp the first part.

[Bigsyke]

WAR Ukko's fury outside abyssea:


Twilight vs. Zahak. 5 STR/DEX and 25 Accy seems better than 3% crit rate. Is there anything else I should consider? augmented Ebody? I don't have rose strap so I doubt I can make anything other than a 6-hit.

Head piece:
AF3+2 mask vs Twilight helm vs. Faz Head +2. 3% Crit + 4% DA +14 Accy seems better than 10 Dex +9attk, I'm not sure about the faz head for Ukko.

Hands:
AF3+2 Hands vs. Heca+1 with augment
at the moment I'm using AF3+2 but i'm trying to augment heca+1 with crit+4,
but will crit +4 and accy> 1str and 4 dex with restraint down?

Legs:
AF3+2 atm anything else worth looking at? I don't have heca legs atm, but if they augment nicely maybe an option? or B.Haidate with crit+?

Feet:
AF3+2 anything compare to the crit increase? Heca feet with crit+?

Body: accuracy in abyssea is far less relevant. Stick to Zahak's with berserk down and Grim +1 for berserk up.

Empyrean head +2 for WS.

Heca +1 with crit +4 would win. Note that you don't need to use Empyrean hands during WS even with restraint.

Legs: Empyrean legs or belicus cuisses are good options until Heca +1 I believe.

Feet: Heca +1 can't get crit+ as far as I'm aware (unless it is random pool). Valkyrie's sabatons can though (with crit DMG+ to boot) not sure how that compares to Empyrean feet though.

[Churchill]

I've stopped using Zahak's personally in favor of grim+1. AF+2legs/feet are both good choices, Bellicus with perfect augments (gl).Heafoc for hands. Nothing has replaced AF3+2 mask. You can try to focus on dDEX, you will fail if you're fighting VW stuff and you will gimp yourself beyond belief in the effort. Better to focus on the more basic stuff like STR/ATK, Crit+, DA.

Heca feet don't get crit+. If I got Heca legs with a 4crit and some wazoo 5dex or 5str augment I would use those but that's for people with more money than I.

[Neviskio]

Ganesha's mask was tested to outperform other head options during TP phase. I can't find a link right now, but perhaps someone else can.

Basic conclusions of the testing were:

Ganesha's Mask when capped ACC, uncapped ATT
Tantra Crown +2 when uncapped fSTR
Brisk Mask when uncapped ACC

Ty would be awesome if anyone found link, I'd love to read the discussion about the pieces since i don't particularly like brisk mask tbh..

[Rehn]

For blade: hi - ocelomah head +1 or shura head +1 with the following augments: wsdmg+3% AGI+4?

[Nightfyre]

Shura's slightly better if you're not gaining more than 1% critrate from Ocelomeh +1.

[Taim Meich]

For Fell Cleave, Clout Boots, or Dilaram's Sollerets?

I think that if Att isn't capped, 16 Att should beat 1 STR, and I get the bonus of no STP penalty, but I'm not sure.

[Neisan]

For Fell Cleave, Clout Boots, or Dilaram's Sollerets?

I think that if Att isn't capped, 16 Att should beat 1 STR, and I get the bonus of no STP penalty, but I'm not sure.

Not that the STP penalty matters that much but unless attack capped 16 attack will win, but most stuff cleaved is like DC mobs isn't it? Gigantes Boots is an option over Clout. Or Jingang Greaves since I'm fairly certain FC can DA, but WC either doesn't force it, or it's applied on a mob by mob basis (I remember using FC, missing the target and having 1 TP left).

[Churchill]

FC can't DA AFAIK

[Neisan]

I had no other explanation to 1 TP return, and I wasn't hallucinating/on mind altering substances so unless someone else has a better answer I'm all for it.