What's Better?

[Robertfb]

Was discussing this with ls members in abyssea la thiene last night when we were Briareus farming, and since I know next to nothing about the formulas for Weaponskills other then stacking modifier attributes increases their dmg, which would be better for CDC dmg, atheling for the attack +20, or either cuchulain's mantle or nifty mantle (which sparked this discussion last night lol), or any other dex+ back piece?

[Kyte]

Atheling.

[VZX01]

If Atheling didn't have the DA+3%, DEX+5 atk+9 should draw very close to atk+20

[Sahlem]

What best Bow for 95 ?

[shen]

I believe its Gandiva > Harrier > Percept Bow > Vision Bow (which is easy to get) in that order. If you're still having problems maybe pick up Seige Bow but Vision shouldn't be that hard to get. Unsure how Yoichi (or even Annihilator) compares to Gandiva, I've been curious myself >.>

[VZX01]

Aife's Bow after Harrier

[Atoreis]

I believe its Gandiva > Harrier > Percept Bow > Vision Bow (which is easy to get) in that order. If you're still having problems maybe pick up Seige Bow but Vision shouldn't be that hard to get. Unsure how Yoichi (or even Annihilator) compares to Gandiva, I've been curious myself >.>

Yoichi and Anni are on completely different lvl

Ragni with miser tactician and saveTP atmacite + minuets + stalwart can pretty much solo kill T3 VW assuming someone is tanking it.

He has like 70% TP after Coronach ( around 1500 on akvan and 1300 on kaggen) so need to shot once and can coronach again resulting in self SC darkness for 1k+ 50% of the time. He pulls hate only around 10% mobs HP maybe after doing like 100k+ damage only because he crit for 1k+ /ra and do barrage sometimes. If he would just shot for TP with spartan bullets he wouldnt pull hate till the end of the fight.

[Raffi_XI]

with miser tactician and saveTP atmacite + minuets + stalwart can pretty much solo kill T3 VW

What we do is give the same buffs to a war and there you go. Main Tank and DD. I've posted it before, Misers roll with save tp atmacite is insanely broken for jobs that use X-hit builds (2h / ranged jobs). With a party to cover red procs, and a "tank" party, all vwnms are just destroyed within 5 mins of maxing lights. Our typical DD consist of 1-2 war 1-2 rng and 1 cor. Only time a fight goes long is when it takes forever to get the procs down, or stupid Phil shield / unlucky death/Level5 petrify spam. Its kinda fun playing the Death Lottery. Hate bounces so much between the wars / cor / rngs from non stop ws spam that its just random who gets hit with the magic shielded Death from Akvan.

[Atoreis]

What we do is give the same buffs to a war and there you go. Main Tank and DD. I've posted it before, Misers roll with save tp atmacite is insanely broken for jobs that use X-hit builds (2h / ranged jobs). With a party to cover red procs, and a "tank" party, all vwnms are just destroyed within 5 mins of maxing lights. Our typical DD consist of 1-2 war 1-2 rng and 1 cor. Only time a fight goes long is when it takes forever to get the procs down, or stupid Phil shield / unlucky death/Level5 petrify spam. Its kinda fun playing the Death Lottery. Hate bounces so much between the wars / cor / rngs from non stop ws spam that its just random who gets hit with the magic shielded Death from Akvan.

For Akvan and Pil sure but for Kaggen DD seems to die to fast and amnesia and all those stats down etc. kinda suck so we prefer PLD and just ranged hateless attacks(My statement will probably change drastically when I get Ukon buehehe). I guess you can probably just kill it on fanatics and all above wont matter XD

[Nightfyre]

Sacrifice makes short work of bio/stat down, Amnesia still sucks for a DD tank though.

[Sahlem]

And now that we sort Bow. About the gear for ws on ranger should look like what? I'm thinking Range Attack > AGI > STR > range accuracy. I may be wrong tho.

[Seol]

Yoichi and Anni are on completely different lvl

Ragni with miser tactician and saveTP atmacite + minuets + stalwart can pretty much solo kill T3 VW assuming someone is tanking it.

He has like 70% TP after Coronach ( around 1500 on akvan and 1300 on kaggen) so need to shot once and can coronach again resulting in self SC darkness for 1k+ 50% of the time. He pulls hate only around 10% mobs HP maybe after doing like 100k+ damage only because he crit for 1k+ /ra and do barrage sometimes. If he would just shot for TP with spartan bullets he wouldnt pull hate till the end of the fight.

Those are the average Wildfire for RNG as well, w/o drinks or mab buffs, COR goes higher after fireshot. The question is, which one generates less enmity? I'm guessing Coronach, and the triple (or double?) dmg probably beats ODD aftermath for lolranged empyreals.

[Nightfyre]

Wildfire's enmity reduction is a %... as enmity reduction goes Anni > Yoichi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arma

[Atoreis]

Those are the average Wildfire for RNG as well, w/o drinks or mab buffs, COR goes higher after fireshot. The question is, which one generates less enmity? I'm guessing Coronach, and the triple (or double?) dmg probably beats ODD aftermath for lolranged empyreals.

You need like 125 Coronach to cap hate so you can do around 200k dmg before you will get hate.

[VZX01]

You need like 125 Coronach to cap hate so you can do around 200k dmg before you will get hate.

Where is that number coming from?

[Innuendo]

Where is that number coming from?

http://kanican.livejournal.com/18316.html

Coronach generates 80 CE and 240 VE per use, so I assume he's just calculating the number based on CE cap.

[VZX01]

Those numbers aren't affected by the -enmity generated by the AM itself?

[Foldypaws]

Those numbers aren't affected by the -enmity generated by the AM itself?

Were I a betting man, I'd wager that it's 100 CE and 300 VE before the AM, and then the AM (which will always be on for Coronach) takes that down to 80/240. I can't test it until our RNG gets back from England though.

[shen]

For Jishnu's RNG, what would be best on Moonshade earring?

I'm sure I'ma get Ranged Acc/Atk from the first group, but I'm unsure what to get from the second. I'm leaning towards Regain or TP Bonus +25, but I've heard Occ. Grants dmg bonus based on TP isn't bad either. Basically I dunno if I should dedicate it towards my TP set or WS set =/ Not sure which would make a bigger difference. Looking at the page on BGwiki it didn't look like a TP bonus would help much over a 3 DEX earring but I wanted to double check.

Sorta reposting. So what's better for Jishnu's, Ranged Attack +4 & TP Bonus +25 or a DEX+3 earring, and maybe +4? In and out of abyssea.

[Taint]

Sorta reposting. So what's better for Jishnu's, Ranged Attack +4 & TP Bonus +25 or a DEX+3 earring, and maybe +4? In and out of abyssea.

TP Bonus