What's Better?

[Byrthnoth]

Is Coruscanti's Crit rate single-hand specific in your spreadsheet? Because it probably is in game.

[Foldypaws]

It is, yeah. (On the spreadsheet, I assume in the game)

[Sodalitas]

Setting Set1 and Set2 to be equivalent and both using Pyrrhic Kleos, the WS numbers ended up different. So I looked through the Pyrrhic Kleos sheet, and found that the fTP values used for Set1 and Set2 were different.

Set1 has fTP at 1.5, Set2 has fTP at 1.1875. There still seems to be some controversy surrounding Pyrrhic Kleos' fTP and stat mods; Studio Gobli has it listed as fTP 1.5, 50%DEX, 0%STR, Byrth's testing puts it at fTP 1.355, 30%DEX, 30%STR, and yeoldewiki has it listed as fTP 1.5, 20%STR, 30%DEX.

[Motenten]

Yes, all spreadsheets handle crit rate on weapons independently for dual-wielded setups, both for melee and weaponskills.

[Motenten]

Setting Set1 and Set2 to be equivalent and both using Pyrrhic Kleos, the WS numbers ended up different. So I looked through the Pyrrhic Kleos sheet, and found that the fTP values used for Set1 and Set2 were different.

<waves hand> You didn't see that. Nothing was forgotten.. >.>

Fixed.

Set1 has fTP at 1.5, Set2 has fTP at 1.1875. There still seems to be some controversy surrounding Pyrrhic Kleos' fTP and stat mods; Studio Gobli has it listed as fTP 1.5, 50%DEX, 0%STR, Byrth's testing puts it at fTP 1.355, 30%DEX, 30%STR, and yeoldewiki has it listed as fTP 1.5, 20%STR, 30%DEX.

I just pulled the values from the wiki. Looked at Byrth's testing, but the data is pretty sparse. My best guess based on his numbers would be 40% Str, 40% Dex, 1.5 fTP (1.355 fTP is almost certainly wrong, and the 30% dex/str values are subject to a fair bit of shifting due to imprecise data), but I'd need more data to be sure. Changed dex/str mods to 40/40 just 'cause.

[Kayu]

7 str ring for rampage or eponas?
and for second slot rajas or +7 ring

[Byrthnoth]

40%/40%/1.5 fTP predicts my max damage for the first setup would be 556, unless I'm doing something wrong:
floor(79*.4*.85) + floor(84*.4*.85) = 54
43+12+54 = 109
109*3.15*1.08*1.5 = 556

Keep in mind that I stopped updating the raw data and stuck to the max/min after a few because I couldn't get the parser to work at the time and got lazy. That's why the lines often end on a max/min. I did at least twice as many WSs as are listed on that page to make my range. It's difficult to get the low end of the range, which was particularly frustrating in the STR Kila +2 case.

Also, if you think my data is sparse you should look at the methodology that came up with 20% STR/30% DEX/1.5 fTP <_<. I link it from bgwiki.

I just went back and looked at my PK numbers. They're actually fairly accurate and complete when it comes to covering the range of possible values. For any test with only crits and constant stats, the ratio of max to min should be 1.2, because all that can change is pDIF. Max 1H pDIF is 3.15, min 1H pDIF is 2.625. If I was higher on the min than reality, then I'd end up with a lower ratio than 1.2. If I was lower on the max than reality, I'd end up with a lower ratio than 1.2.

If you take (Max/Min)/1.2 for the four samples I give, you get no value lower than 95%. Specifically, you get:
0.967105 0.958618 0.968109 0.972851
So you can tell that I'm covering most of the possible values. Based on the way we think pDIF works (with the 1~1.05 multiplier), it's more likely that I'm missing values at the low end of the spectrum because I'd have to roll low twice to see them. Thus, I basically chose my mods to fit the high end of the range. They may not be perfect, but they're more accurate than any of the other options given.

[Vathris]

Whats better for drakesbane, af3+2 body, zahak's mail or ace's mail?

[Motenten]

Byrth: I'll reply in the Random Facts thread since it's sort of offtopic in this thread.

[Kyte]

Whats better for drakesbane, af3+2 body, zahak's mail or ace's mail?

There's only a 4 STR (and no attack) difference between AF3+2 and Ace's Mail- and there's a fair chance that the +DEX is doing something. I would go with AF3, partly because it can help with a X-hit.

[Motenten]

For reference for the Pyrrhic Kleos issue, I've settled on new values of 1.4 fTP, 30% Dex, 28% Str. Calculation notes in the Random Facts thread. Spreadsheet updated with these numbers.

[Foldypaws]

For reference for the Pyrrhic Kleos issue, I've settled on new values of 1.4 fTP, 30% Dex, 28% Str. Calculation notes in the Random Facts thread. Spreadsheet updated with these numbers.

You're accidentally pulling the CHR values (row 30 in Data) for the STR mod in PK instead of the STR values (row 27 in Data)

[Motenten]

Thanks. Fixed. Will upload once I fix Climactic Flourish to account for AF3+1/2 head enhancements.

[Vathris]

There's only a 4 STR (and no attack) difference between AF3+2 and Ace's Mail- and there's a fair chance that the +DEX is doing something. I would go with AF3, partly because it can help with a X-hit.

Thanks Kyte, i was inclining a little bit towards Zahaks inside abyssea, +2 outside, but i definetly need that store tp for a five hit

[damet]

For PLD TP/Haste gear tanking: Creed Collar or Fort Torque or Twilight Torque?

[bondxp]

Here is what I got for WAR Ukko's Fury. Which one is better outside Abyssea?

#1
Ukonvasara | Claymore Grip | | Ravager's Orb
Ravager's Mask +2 | Breeze Gorget | Vulcan's Pearl | Brutal Earring
Grim Cuirass +1 | Hct. Mittens +1 | Rajas Ring | Pyrosoul Ring
Atheling Mantle | Breeze Belt | Hct. Subligar +1 | Rvg. Calligae +2

#2
Ukonvasara | Claymore Grip | | Ravager's Orb
Ravager's Mask +2 | Rancor Collar | Vulcan's Pearl | Brutal Earring
Grim Cuirass +1 | Hct. Mittens +1 | Rajas Ring | Pyrosoul Ring
Atheling Mantle | Breeze Belt | Hct. Subligar +1 | Rvg. Calligae +2

NOTE:
Hct. Subligar +1 with Augment +4 critical rate, +3 STR
Hct. Mittens +1 with Augment +3 critical damage, +3 Accuracy

Or any suggestion to change any slot to something else? Thanks

[noodles355]

Here is what I got for WAR Ukko's Fury. Which one is better outside Abyssea?

#1
Ukonvasara | Claymore Grip | | Ravager's Orb
Ravager's Mask +2 | Breeze Gorget | Vulcan's Pearl | Brutal Earring
Grim Cuirass +1 | Hct. Mittens +1 | Rajas Ring | Pyrosoul Ring
Atheling Mantle | Breeze Belt | Hct. Subligar +1 | Rvg. Calligae +2

#2
Ukonvasara | Claymore Grip | | Ravager's Orb
Ravager's Mask +2 | Rancor Collar | Vulcan's Pearl | Brutal Earring
Grim Cuirass +1 | Hct. Mittens +1 | Rajas Ring | Pyrosoul Ring
Atheling Mantle | Breeze Belt | Hct. Subligar +1 | Rvg. Calligae +2

NOTE:
Hct. Subligar +1 with Augment +4 critical rate, +3 STR
Hct. Mittens +1 with Augment +3 critical damage, +3 Accuracy

Or any suggestion to change any slot to something else? Thanks

Did you really need to post your gearset twice? Couldn't you have just asked "Breeze Gorget or Rancor Collar for Ukko's?"

[lolwut]

Did you really need to post your gearset twice? Couldn't you have just asked "Breeze Gorget or Rancor Collar for Ukko's?"

Use Rancor. But yeah, "Uncapped crit rate, Breeze or Rancor for Ukko's?" would have covered it.

May want to look into Beir Belt +1 for Berserk up set as well. It's pretty similar, but a small improvement in some cases.

[urat]

Is Chanter's Staff still the best weapon for bard to use for buffing party? Scherzo, T2 Carols, Minuet V, etc etc?

[dasva]

Is Chanter's Staff still the best weapon for bard to use for buffing party? Scherzo, T2 Carols, Minuet V, etc etc?

No. If I had to guess I'd say Felibre's Dague or mythic