What's Better?

[Caylene]

Well I have the goading belt but I use the new dex belt instead, being an elvaan and all. Kinda wondering if I should have someone critique my whole melee set(s) now...

[Motenten]

Why would being Elvaan have any relevance? And if you need the accuracy, Life Belt or Virtuoso Belt would be adequate, but even then you'd need to be pretty desperate for acc to trade out the Goading Belt.

[BruHaus]

Phasmida Belt is a nice option too

[Caylene]

Phasmida Belt is a nice option too

Yes, that is a nice option. ^_^

[Skeelo]

whats better please, me and ls member have different opinions and would like to find out which is better.


input /equip ring1 "Epona's Ring";
input /equip feet "Tantra Gaiters +2";
input /equip ear1 "Brutal Earring";
input /equip waist "Black Belt";
input /equip hands "Tantra Gloves +2";
input /equip head "Ganesha's mask";
input /equip neck "Faith Torque";
input /equip legs "Tantra Hose +2";
input /equip feet "usukane sune-ate";
input /equip ring2 "Rajas Ring";
input /equip back "Atheling Mantle";
input /equip body "Tantra Cyclas +2";
input /equip ammo "Thew Bomblet";
input /equip ear2 "Aesir Ear Pendant";

vs


input /equip ring1 "Epona's Ring";
input /equip feet "Tantra Gaiters +2";
input /equip ear1 "Brutal Earring";
input /equip waist "Black Belt";
input /equip hands "Tantra Gloves +2";
input /equip head "Ganesha's mask";
input /equip neck "Faith Torque";
input /equip legs "Tantra Hose +2";
input /equip feet "tantra Gaiters +2";
input /equip ring2 "Rajas Ring";
input /equip back "Atheling Mantle";
input /equip body "Tantra Cyclas +2";
input /equip ammo "Thew Bomblet";
input /equip ear2 "Aesir Ear Pendant";

vs
Full af3+2

Yes i know there are more optimal sets like Bruisers and such, just focusing more on main body peices. Please assist ^^

[Atoreis]

It's not trolling. Serious answer/math please. 99Veret MNK vs 99Ukon WAR

Data:
Veret - 42dmg fSTR13 H2Hdmg 51-52. MNK base STR around 105
Ukon - 156dmg fSTR~18(while melee) up to 25 on WS. WAR base STR is around 105

Assumed mob similar to Qilin.

I have MNK winning by a lot in melee phase (15% if war uses hasso and 60% with seigan) assuming haste+marches(25%haste).

Looking at qilin parses I have avg ukko 1700-2000 (good but not best set) and 1900-2200 Vsmite (best set) (JP ally so I have no idea about buffs but they had cor and minuet for sure). Is that accurate or you guys have other experience?

On paper I have WAR at 60% higher WS frequency(hasso up) but thats w/o counting regain(but counting save TP20). On that JP parse tho WAR did less WS than MNK. So idk if my math sux or this war sux?

Im not asking for super math tho if someone feel good to make one sure :D I just want to know if my impression of WAR on hasso+marches and save tp 20 doing around 40-50% more WS and 15%less melee is right? WS damage is around the same or Im far from true?

[Haborym]

Debating making either Bravura or Spharai but cant decide on one. I have both Vereth and Ukon. Can someone with incite on either weapon help point me in a diretions. I have been going back and forth for too long.

[Nightfyre]

DT-20% vs 11% counter favors Bravura as a defensive/tanking option by a wide margin imo. Def and eva down effects are icing on the cake.

[EjinCaitsith]

It's not trolling. Serious answer/math please. 99Veret MNK vs 99Ukon WAR

Data:
Veret - 42dmg fSTR13 H2Hdmg 51-52. MNK base STR around 105
Ukon - 156dmg fSTR~18(while melee) up to 25 on WS. WAR base STR is around 105

Assumed mob similar to Qilin.

I have MNK winning by a lot in melee phase (15% if war uses hasso and 60% with seigan) assuming haste+marches(25%haste).

Looking at qilin parses I have avg ukko 1700-2000 (good but not best set) and 1900-2200 Vsmite (best set) (JP ally so I have no idea about buffs but they had cor and minuet for sure). Is that accurate or you guys have other experience?

On paper I have WAR at 60% higher WS frequency(hasso up) but thats w/o counting regain(but counting save TP20). On that JP parse tho WAR did less WS than MNK. So idk if my math sux or this war sux?

Im not asking for super math tho if someone feel good to make one sure :D I just want to know if my impression of WAR on hasso+marches and save tp 20 doing around 40-50% more WS and 15%less melee is right? WS damage is around the same or Im far from true?

It's because Qilin always dies before Impetus wears. For our parses it usually just comes down to who can WS the most without dying + use temps most efficiently. But I'd say I beat MNKs 60-70% of the time on WAR, although it's always very close a lot of the time.

[Atoreis]

It's because Qilin always dies before Impetus wears. For our parses it usually just comes down to who can WS the most without dying + use temps most efficiently. But I'd say I beat MNKs 60-70% of the time on WAR, although it's always very close a lot of the time.

What buffs Ejin?
Hasso full time?
On those parses I have from Qilin there were always at least 2 adds summooned by Qilin so I think it took them more like 5 min. Anyway its not about MNK winning on those parses but MNK doing same/more amount of WSs when he should be much behind. So I'm not sure if WAR sucked and wasnt WSing at 100TP? MNK used 7 wings WAR used 5. They were getting minuet + march (maybe thats why), chaos roll and I think tactician roll. MNK did 26 WS, WAR did 23. You have some parses Ejin?

[EjinCaitsith]

What buffs Ejin?
Hasso full time?
On those parses I have from Qilin there were always at least 2 adds summooned by Qilin so I think it took them more like 5 min. Anyway its not about MNK winning on those parses but MNK doing same/more amount of WSs when he should be much behind. So I'm not sure if WAR sucked and wasnt WSing at 100TP? MNK used 7 wings WAR used 5. They were getting minuet + march (maybe thats why), chaos roll and I think tactician roll. MNK did 26 WS, WAR did 23. You have some parses Ejin?

We always put WAR MNK and DRK in same party as COR + BRD. We use march x2, miser's, and tactician. 26 WS seems really high, even in fights I've done 36% of all damage, I only did 17-18WS tops. The only time we stop zerg is if red is uncapped, which is rare.

As for your comparison, all i can say is: It's about efficiency. The WAR was probably slow with temps, used too many temps, or was slow spamming WS. For example: If i try to use a Dusty Wing, I'll usually have 150-200% tp before it goes off.

[Ophannus]

For offhand Yataghan:

Critical Hit Damage+5%
vs
DMG+6 & Critical Hit Damage+2%

[Amelya]

So for THF, I haven't played in a while so my gear is a bit out of date. I'm not looking to spend a ton of gil as I'm really just playing around as a TH mule in dynamis mostly atm, but I'd like to have it be decent at least.

For TA head: skadi mask or bersail cap?
For TA hands: AF hands +1 or skadi hands?
TA back piece...currently using Atheling, is there something better?

Open to any other moderately easy to get/buy items I've overlooked too obviously.
Thanks

[Atoreis]

Went on MNK(Veret 85) today for Qilin and Ragni went on WAR(Ukon90). Depends of the lack with Impetus we were pretty much close on parse. Buffs were march minuet, miser+fighter(I think fighter is much better then regain roll btw. Should yield more or the same TP gain avg and helps on WS too). the most accurate were 2 parses.

1. I was 24.18 and Ragni 24.73. He did some WS at 300% because he needed to stagger mob on dualboxed BRD. His avg ukko was ~2250 and my Vsmite 1780. We both did same amount of WS (I think it was 14). It was pretty much what I got from math. He would do a little more if he would WS at 100TP always.

but the second parse...

2. I parsed this one till Qilin 20% because Ragni died at this point. It was SV march+minuet and miser+fighter. I completely destroyed him and what is most surprising... I did more WS.... (only item we used were fanatic and stalwart by me and fanatic stalwart and braver by Ragni so no wings) I did 12 Vsmited (avg 2420 avg interval 11sec) and he did 9 Ukko (avg 2480 avg interval 12sec). How is that possible >.> Even assuming he was slacking a little ovetping that 33% more WS. I have also boost>wait1>WS in my macro which made me lose a lot of time because every 2nd WS boost was not ready and instead of boost and WS I was doing 1 hit round in WS equip ( need to fix this and make 2 macros I guess )
Parse was 35.12% me 23.28% Ragni. Im not really shocked that I won so much because I had Impetus up all the time and blood rage probably for 30% of the time. What I cant understand is WS frequency which on paper should be on avg 50% higher for WAR.

Btw I always had Mantra merited and never supported loligorate. I think Mantra now is even better. Its really a bless on Qilin when it adds enough HP to not be killed by one TP move. For those moments when ppl were having hard time on stagger duty and I needed to tank w/o fanatic I really was happy with my 2700HP in PDT set. Even Deadly holds for 1590 wasnt really a threat.

[Atoreis]

For MNK at 99, af3+2 gloves or af2+2 gloves? Lets say for acc capped and uncapped situations?

If af3+2 gloves are better how about Genesha's Mask for capped fSTR? ( Veret MNK should easily cap fSTR w/o the head piece even for 105VIT mob and there is still boost STR).

[Francisco]

I'm a bit unclear with some of the new gear for MNK, between the Kick Attack Stone, Rancor Collar, Faith Torque, Bruiser Earring, Regain Moonshade, TP Bonus Moonshade, etc...

Assuming the "standard" gear (Verethragna 90, 5/5 AF3+2, BB, Epona, Rajas, Brutal, Atheling...)

What is the current "right answer" for second earring and neck for building TP?

What is the current "right answer" for second earring and neck for Victory Smite?

[Kamil]

Atk+7 and WSD+3% Shura head+1 better than Anwig Salade with AGI, DEX +4, WSD+2% and Crit+2% for Blade: Hi? Both inside and outside.

[Nightfyre]

Atk+7 and WSD+3% Shura head+1 better than Anwig Salade with AGI, DEX +4, WSD+2% and Crit+2% for Blade: Hi? Both inside and outside.

yes

[Kamil]

yes

Assuming Hi for VWNM would it be best to just ignore trying to stack DEX, and just go for AGI/STR/Attack?

[Nightfyre]

Probably. I've only seen one attempt to gauge VWNM AGI but it didn't bode well for DEX-based Hi sets even with Braver's Drink.