What's Better?

[Taint]

TPBonus, it's



55% boost from a tpbonus from 100>200, 200-300 isn't as steep.

Probably closer then you think. You forgot the 2nd hit. Its a 32% increase (3.15/2.375), but with 200-300 not being a huge change and SAM over TPing a lot, plus Sekk 100tp bonus, Haga 100tp bonus and moonshade, the WS damage GKT could be a very viable option.

[GoggleHead]

Is there any reason to use Timarli Dastanas over Dusk +1 on DRG?

[Foldypaws]

Is there any reason to use Timarli Dastanas over Dusk +1 on DRG?

1 base damage is worth more than 3 attack. Outside abyssea, you aren't capping fSTR.

[Radec]

Probably closer then you think. You forgot the 2nd hit. Its a 32% increase (3.15/2.375), but with 200-300 not being a huge change and SAM over TPing a lot, plus Sekk 100tp bonus, Haga 100tp bonus and moonshade, the WS damage GKT could be a very viable option.

I did forget all those, but even with them in place:

Sekkanoki: WSDMG wins, 10%
Haga: 300TP(3.65) vs 200TP(3.15*1.1 = 3.465, 3.275*1.1 = 3.6025 w/ moonshade) If you assume less than ~33 over-tp, TPBonus wins.
Unstacked: 200tp(3.15) vs 100(2.375*1.1 = 2.6125), 225(3.275) vs 125(2.819*1.1 = 3.1), TPBonus stays ahead until ~233 Base TP, -25 if using moonshade.

It's closer than I had thought, but TPBonus still in the lead unless usng Sekkanoki.

[Nightfyre]

Is there anything Bravura WAR can tank that Ukon WAR can't?

Barring supertanking (which I'd generally look at Ochain for over Aegis, though any decent shield probably suffices), you could honestly ask the same question of Aegis PLD these days. That said, Bravura can maintain capped PDT, MDT, BDT, or even all of the above while retaining its 6-hit and capped haste and has substantially higher accuracy than Ukon will in such a set, so while you're losing Ukko's you're gaining white damage and WS frequency. Eva/def down will further aid Bravura along with the rest of your melees.

[dasva]

You should really factor in DA

[Atoreis]

You should really factor in DA

This

At least 18% DA and now im not sure about elemental belt gorget ( need math because its pretty low fTP favoring gorget/belt but high WSC favoring STR). Ganeshas mala is also an option probably (I want to see an epeen 8hit Shoha :D)

EDIT: Also 10%WSD GKT has 6higher base damage.
EDIT: Also Dust wings 300TP at VW.

[Moridam]

best neck/earring for monk now? currently using rancor/merman's (been too lazy to get wotg done, but i'm planning on working on that soonish). wanna say i saw some talk about calcitrant being up there, but i have no idea where that falls. assuming some variant of moonshade is still on top, but i have no idea what augments to take on that either.

i'm assuming faith/bruiser's combo lags behind now, right? only reason i second guess that is the latter has jumped to like 1.5M over the last few weeks, and i'm honestly at a loss as to why; i understand it pushes base up by 1DMG with faith torque (assuming 8/8 and AF3 hands), but that can't possibly beat the other available options, right?

[Greatguardian]

From the gear pics thread,

Inside

            Ear                                             
Neck        None        Tantra      Bruiser     Aesir       Moonshade
None        431.206     432.302     432.166     433.367     439.183
Agasaya     433.607     434.71      434.568     435.769     441.569
Calcitrant  435.223     436.364     435.946     437.153     443.179
Faith       433.367     434.469     436.981     435.528     441.33
Rancor      442.207     443.332     443.189     444.417     450.138

Outside

            Ear                                             
Neck        None        Tantra      Bruiser     Aesir       Moonshade
None        160.615     161.125     162.585     161.769     163.66
Agasaya     168.223     168.755     170.208     169.205     171.102
Calcitrant  162.792     163.325     164.933     164.072     165.803
Faith       166.391     166.756     170.256     167.565     169.312
Rancor      168.987     169.482     170.954     170.136     172.014
Ziel        168.239     168.77      168.694     169.343     171.251

Since most people have a TPbonus/Refresh moonshade, Faith+Bruisers is a more then exceptable combo if you are not going to TP in Rancors.

[shen]

Thought I'd have better luck posting this here instead of the RQT since this is a more appropriate thread:

edit: redid some math was a little off >.>

Is a 4 hit build worth it with Gandiva and /SAM outside Abyssea/VW? Was doing the math and with a 15.1 TP return, I would need 67 STP on all 4 hits to maintain it. Unless I sacrifice some slots on my WS set, I could only get 43 STP (Mekki, Rose, Loki, AF3+2 hands, Rajas, augmented Byakko Haidate, and /SAM). Soo depending on how many hits hit on Jishnu's, I would need 67 (All 3 hits connect) to 74 STP (Only the first hits) during the TP phase. With this set, I can only get up to 72 STP, which wouldn't cover me if I only hit the first hit. I could use Houyi's Gorget but I don't have it (yet). Still I gotta ditch a lot of gear to use it, but I could pump a little more STP into my WS set. So any ideas if its worth it or not?

So basically, 4-hit vs 5-hit?

[Darkmagi]

Is that assuming faith is doing anything to accuracy? I can't think of a time I wasn't capped acc on mnk ever, voidwatch is all 5min zergs that you can fulltime stalwarts/acc buffs.

[Toth]

For PUP,

Should I invest in an Ocelomeh Harness for Victory Smite/ SP? I like the stats but I am a bit hesitant losing all the attack and accuracy bonuses from the cirque body +2.

Also, on that note, does any PUP use Alcide's harness +1?

[pancakesandsex]

For PUP,

Should I invest in an Ocelomeh Harness for Victory Smite/ SP? I like the stats but I am a bit hesitant losing all the attack and accuracy bonuses from the cirque body +2.

Also, on that note, does any PUP use Alcide's harness +1?

What do you currently use for ws gear, I'm looking for recommendations. I have an alcides +1 for evasion but I also use it on thf.

[Greatguardian]

Is that assuming faith is doing anything to accuracy? I can't think of a time I wasn't capped acc on mnk ever, voidwatch is all 5min zergs that you can fulltime stalwarts/acc buffs.

Based on Ziel Charm's numbers, I'm assuming that it's an uncapped accuracy scenario. I'm not sure exactly what stats Taint plugged in when he did the comparison, though. If I was to guess, I'd assume it was the "Qilin?" button on Kine's spreadsheet as it's basically an imaginary hard mob, and it's unlikely that stalwart's was ticked on.

[Toth]

I guess my question is for VS, is it worth giving up 20 accuracy and attack for 11+ STR offered by the harness on PUP?

[Motenten]

Is that assuming faith is doing anything to accuracy? I can't think of a time I wasn't capped acc on mnk ever, voidwatch is all 5min zergs that you can fulltime stalwarts/acc buffs.

He's quoting my numbers. I'm pretty sure these were made after it was confirmed that Calcitrant was +5 kick damage. Assumption on the outside Abyssea set were that the player had 90% hit rate without neck/ear. The comparison was run against Bukhis, but with evasion tweaked to get that exact value. (Qilin? is for when I want to push accuracy below 70%.)

The original post explained that the reason Calcitrant lost in the second comparison was that it had no accuracy on it. The raw attack provided by Faith/Agasaya/Calcitrant provides a very small boost to overall DPS, and is easily overwhelmed by any accuracy needs.

[Kuishen]

I know this has been asked before but on things with ridiculous agi (Voidwatch) Byakko's (4% crit damage) vs. Ambusher's Hose for Blade: Hi? Same question for inside abyssea please. And if possible show the math, because it's a heated argument between me and an lsmate.

[noodles355]

I know this has been asked before but on things with ridiculous agi (Voidwatch) Byakko's (4% crit damage) vs. Ambusher's Hose for Blade: Hi? Same question for inside abyssea please. And if possible show the math, because it's a heated argument between me and an lsmate.

On such a target with rediculous AGI, wont it likely have high VIT and defence as well? And if so, wouldn't something like Usukane legs beat Ambushers?

[Kuishen]

On such a target with rediculous AGI, wont it likely have high VIT and defence as well? And if so, wouldn't something like Usukane legs beat Ambushers?

Don't have Usukane legs so question is still relevant.

[dasva]

Or Shura with +agi on them...