What's Better?

[dannyl]

New options are now available for WHM melee, and I'm curious what everyone thought about for new TP pieces.

Specifically the back piece,

Blithe Mantle Rare
[Back] All Races
DEF:11 AGI+5 +15 Evasion+5 "Double Attack"+2
LV 96 All Jobs

OR is Aesir Mantle still best? (especially on dark days?)

OR should I continue to try and spam for max augs on Resilient Mantle.

OR any others I'm overlooking. ?

I think for Hexa/WS we can agree that Rancor Mantle is king ?

[Byrthnoth]

Why is Rancor Mantle not also your best TP back? K-club means you probably actually want to not have DA.

[Taint]

What tp:ws split are you assuming for SAM?

With march x2, miser's and chaos, my tp:ws split on WAR is 30:70, and that's with me spamming as fast I possibly can once 100% TP. idk if it'd be drastically different on SAM with the same buffs, but melee damage can still be substantial in VW.

Ukon is a hell of a drug.

I didn't save any SAM parses but SAM WS frequency is only a tad higher then WAR in VW but the white damage is much lower.

[dannyl]

Forgot to mention I'm kclub-less and relic-less.

[Viar]

Nah, you'd get more out of other things. Justiciar's is best, unless you're capping PDIF an AGI+6 neckpiece (Arctier's Torque, Moepapa Medal, Huoyi's Gorget) will outperform it. I'm pretty sure Crudelis outperforms Anguinus (and Cuchulian) as well unless accuracy is uncapped. Drone Earring is cheap and good too if you can't get an Auster's Pearl (they're never in stock and only 1 AGI less).

So Crudelis belt is also better than Sveltesse Gouriz for Last stand?

[dasva]

So Crudelis belt is also better than Sveltesse Gouriz for Last stand?

If fstr2 is uncapped easily

[stamos]

How does Ogier's Breeches stack up for ws legs over other options?

[Kamil]

Kannagi/95 Kikoku better than Kannagi/STR Sekka or Kannagi/Kamome? Inside and Outside.

[Motenten]

For drk comparisons, long overdue (but rather bloated) spreadsheet update has been uploaded. Haven't updated gear, as I was tired after updating 11 weaponskill pages.

Have also updated war (GA only), sam (added polearms), nin (added merit ws, but needs further revisions), drg, dnc, mnk and pup with merit weaponskills. Still need to do thf (needs special custom work for SATA) and pld.

[VZX01]

So Crudelis belt is also better than Sveltesse Gouriz for Last stand?

fTP bonus from gorget/belt is relatively high on last stand and they affect 2nd hit too, netting a 10% damage boost.

[urat]

For Exenterator on bard:

K. Osode with high augments (Lets say double attack+2 and attack+6~7) vs Relic+2 body (Attack+25 acc+25 Str+8 Agi+8)

I'm leaning towards +2 body? 25 attack just seems like a fuck tonne, and obviously acc+25 should help resolve any issues my bard will ever have with acc against most monsters.

I want to push the limits of battle bard.

[shen]

Drone Earring is cheap and good too if you can't get an Auster's Pearl (they're never in stock and only 1 AGI less).

Wanted to add to myself here... Genin is a realistic piece of equipment too! It doesn't show up that often nowadays but its more common than Auster lol

For Exenterator on bard:

K. Osode with high augments (Lets say double attack+2 and attack+6~7) vs Relic+2 body (Attack+25 acc+25 Str+8 Agi+8)

I'm leaning towards +2 body? 25 attack just seems like a fuck tonne, and obviously acc+25 should help resolve any issues my bard will ever have with acc against most monsters.

I want to push the limits of battle bard.

Supposedly Military Parade gives 16 of each stat now, so in that case AF2+2 wins.

Kannagi/95 Kikoku better than Kannagi/STR Sekka or Kannagi/Kamome? Inside and Outside.

Well I had heard that the attack bonus for relics applied in the offhand now but the recent update notes made mention of changing offhanded relic bonuses. If they changed the attack bonus on them, then Kikoku is no longer the best offhand weapon for Kannagi. If they didn't, then it is its best partner outside at least, will have to double check inside because Kamome might still win.

Besides that, Kannagi/Kamome inside always and STR Katana outside usually, though it depends on the target. Either way, it's looking like main handing Kikoku while running Blade: Shun will edge out Hi, especially if Innin isn't a factor. STR Katana is looking like a strong offhand for that but I'm not sure on TP Bonus/WS damage yet, though the DoT from the STR Katana during TP phase will likely win out anyways.

[urat]

Supposedly Military Parade gives 16 of each stat now, so in that case AF2+2 wins.

...wat?

No... what?

[shen]

...wat?

No... what?

Sorry I worded that badly lol. Apparently, Military Parade gets an upgrade on the +2 Body, giving 16 DEX/STR instead of 8. This is according to some dude on ffxiah.com so I'm not sure how reputable this is, lol.

[Alkimi]

New options are now available for WHM melee, and I'm curious what everyone thought about for new TP pieces.

Specifically the back piece,

Blithe Mantle Rare
[Back] All Races
DEF:11 AGI+5 +15 Evasion+5 "Double Attack"+2
LV 96 All Jobs

OR is Aesir Mantle still best? (especially on dark days?)

OR should I continue to try and spam for max augs on Resilient Mantle.

OR any others I'm overlooking. ?

I think for Hexa/WS we can agree that Rancor Mantle is king ?

Personally I use Rancor Mantle and Prudence Torque for both TP and Hexa Strike. The 17 attack alone means it beats anything else WHM can wear since attack gear is rare as hell.

[dannyl]

Thank yous!

[grevenilvec75]

Following up on some exenterator talk: If I don't have justiciars whats a good/cheap alternative (for DNC)?

Arctier's torque was mentioned, I think i have that. would it be acceptable.?

[Motenten]

Following up on some exenterator talk: If I don't have justiciars whats a good/cheap alternative (for DNC)?

Arctier's torque was mentioned, I think i have that. would it be acceptable.?

Yes, Arctier's is good. Beats out a gorget by a nice margin.

[urat]

Yes, Arctier's is good. Beats out a gorget by a nice margin.

So would Houyi's Gorget be even better? Cause I actually have this thing and didn't think it would be that great for externator, but if arctier's is good then... yeah

Edit: here's my goal gearset atm: http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/240079

Saving up for ocel head (almost there) and then I will get the rings. Other than that rest of the gearset seems pretty straightforward.

However, I'm a little iffy on the fact this gearset only gives me +37 attack. I feel like I should be taking out some agi pieces here and there for something that gives a shit tonne of attack+ to balance out the gear. Am I wrong in thinking this and I should just focus on stacking the living fuck out of Agi?

[Motenten]

Now that DRKs have a decent WS in Resolution, I was wondering if there were better options for a 3rd atma than Razed Ruins. I currently use VV, Razed Ruins, and Apoc, and was wondering if it might be better to use Alpha and Omega (10% TA and 50 attack), or Griffon's Claw (10 great sword skill and WS damage +20%) instead of Razed Ruins, in the case of capped accuracy.

I'm aware Razed Ruins is still probably better, but wanted to hear a few opinions.

Doing a little checking, it appears:

1 - Apoc is best first atma.
2a - A&O is best second atma.
3a - Stout Arm and VV tie for best third atma, 1 point ahead of RR.

2b - if you don't want the -HP of A&O, next best is VV > Stout Arm > RR (each 1 point ahead of the next)
3b - If using VV as second, third best is Stout Arm > Griffon's Claw > RR. (SA is +3 over GC, which is +1 over RR)

Total DPS by third atma is around 300, so you can judge the value of a 1-3 point difference. Subject to slight variance based on gear and weapon.