What's Better?

**Taint** · 2011-12-31 16:11

Originally Posted by dasva

Fudo should be stronger than Shoha with the same weapon unless the guess att bonus on Shoha really matters

Shoha is out damaging Fudo on everything I've used SAM in. VW, Dynamis,Abyssea.

So yes keep AM up and spam Shoha in between.

**dasva** · 2011-12-31 16:53

Then that sorta proves the att bonus unless the ftps are all kinds of fucked up lol

**Prothescar** · 2011-12-31 17:55

Had proven that the attack bonus exists a while ago; still haven't looked at the extent of it, but it's a pretty nice amount just using my eyeballs.

**Kirin** · 2011-12-31 18:14

Dont know if this would go in mathy parts or here...

Wyrm Greaves +2 vs Hecatomb Feet/+1? As a side question to that, on Stardiver specifically, at what point is +str vs +atk a wash?

Im basically asking if 1 str is worth 7 atk on stardiver.

**Foldypaws** · 2011-12-31 18:22

7 attack should win vs 1 str, but augmented heca +1 can have 11 str, 6 attk, and 4 polearm skill, so those would win.

**shen** · 2012-01-01 01:04

Originally Posted by noodles355

Arma or WoE gun turns cor from roll bitch into a respectable DD in voidwatch (More the WS than the weapon, but Arma is easier to get). It really changes the job. Masa and TP Bonus both do the same thing, just one is better than the other.

Do you know of any situations where Arma might beat out Gandiva on RNG? I only ask 'cuz I know you have RNG leveled too and maybe you've made some comparisons. I've been wanting to revive my COR but I want to get Wildfire first, and debating between WoE or full blown Emp (Emp path isn't that bad but still takes more dedication than WoE if I wanna take it 90+). If Arma is good at all on RNG I might as well just get it, otherwise I guess I'll do WoE and stick with Gandiva.

**grevenilvec75** · 2012-01-01 01:25

Originally Posted by shen

Do you know of any situations where Arma might beat out Gandiva on RNG? I only ask 'cuz I know you have RNG leveled too and maybe you've made some comparisons. I've been wanting to revive my COR but I want to get Wildfire first, and debating between WoE or full blown Emp (Emp path isn't that bad but still takes more dedication than WoE if I wanna take it 90+). If Arma is good at all on RNG I might as well just get it, otherwise I guess I'll do WoE and stick with Gandiva.

Obviously any mob that resist phys but not magic wildfire would win. And there's a few high lvl VW mobs that use CORs as main DMG dealers (because of hate issues? idk).

**dasva** · 2012-01-01 03:01

Any situation Gandiva will get you killed?

**noodles355** · 2012-01-01 06:54

Those guys got it. I shelved Rng for a while around 90, happen to be re-lvling to 99 now. But there's a couple of good rngs in my ls, from what I hear, jishnu kinda sucks on high-end stuff, and apex arrow pulls ahead - the same as how stardiver beats drakesbane on a lot of "tough" stuff. I don't have any comparisons for you sadly, but I feel the bonus about wildfire on Rng is that you can 4hit it pretty effectively and the damage is very consistant. From talking to one of the annihilator rngs in ls, wildfire and coronach seem to do similar dmg without attack/mab buffs/food etc (and both have same delay so easy to 4hit as well).

Regarding woe vs emp, it's like I mentioned in last post. The key thing is the WS, wildfire is what changes cor. Obviously armageddon is better - AGI on gun for stronger wildfires, and ODD for better TP phase damage, but the WS is the key thing. I'd advise empyrean over woe any day purely because it's so easy to get to 85, but if you've already got woe coins then just do that. Only reason I did it was because it was so easy I could 2box it, as during the main mad empyrean rush I was about 12hrs time difference away from the rest of my ls/friends so never got into a static group to go out and farm a bunch of emps.

**Corresapolonia** · 2012-01-01 09:10

need advice if i should get this Saevus Pendant or keep my Stoicheion Medal. :/ saevus kinda droped in price a lot recently thats why i wonder.

**Taim Meich** · 2012-01-01 09:51

I wouldn't trade 3 macc -3% casting time for 1 mab -3 macc. Stoicheion is superior in almost every way.

**noodles355** · 2012-01-01 10:43

Is sacrosanctity supposed to wear after absorbing one nuke/a certain amount of damage? Or is that some kind of bug? Because I just used it against shoggoth's chainspell and it wore imidiately after eating one Aero IV on my main, and wore off normally after 1 minute on mule (who didn't eat any nukes during this time).

Edit: Whoops, meant to post in RQT

**Churchill** · 2012-01-01 12:07

did the same to me today, I don't recall it happening before but I've used it only once before

**Neisan** · 2012-01-01 12:17

Originally Posted by noodles355

Is sacrosanctity supposed to wear after absorbing one nuke/a certain amount of damage? Or is that some kind of bug? Because I just used it against shoggoth's chainspell and it wore imidiately after eating one Aero IV on my main, and wore off normally after 1 minute on mule (who didn't eat any nukes during this time).

Edit: Whoops, meant to post in RQT

It wears after one hit no matter how small the damage taken. Even spikes triggers it iirc.

**Lyltia** · 2012-01-01 12:20

I've used it fairly often and it has always worn off after taking one hit of magical damage. Not so great against casting mobs, but totally awesome against Astral Flow / Mijin Gakure / Final attack Meteors.. anything you can anticipate with some degree of accuracy.

**Drai** · 2012-01-01 18:23

Trying to figure out the best body/head for Skydiver, for body trying to decide between Fazeluho Radiant Mail, Twilight Mail and for head Twilight vs Hecatomb Cap +1 no augments.

I was thinking the radiant mail for body and twilight for head, but i'm not certain if the +25 attack outweighs the +2 STR, because I would imagine on most voidwatch ops I might be able to cap attack with red curry bun +1's anyway, but admittedly I haven't done anything harder than Kaggen yet.

**Foldypaws** · 2012-01-01 19:04

You're certainly not capping attack without Angon. *With* Dia III and Angon, you need something like 1k attack to cap. (Assuming a 600 def mob, which is probably a lowball for the high end VW stuff).

Don't think you're hitting that with just RCB and Stalwart's. IIRC I ended up at something like 960 with Braver's Stalwart's and RCB? And that's with Twilight.

Fazeluho beats twilght in the body, but is inferior to Ace's in raw damage, and probably to Lancer +2 in terms of DPS, depending on how much sTP you WS in otherwise.

**noodles355** · 2012-01-01 19:13

While on the topic then, assuming I don't need AF3+2 body on during WS to maintain 5hit (dont remember if I do or not),does Ace's also beat Ares? I'm assuming it does, but always worth checking.

**Solrain** · 2012-01-01 19:20

Originally Posted by Xorn

Scopuli nails (10 dex 10 agi) vs. Kacura leggings +1 (HP+25 STR+6 DEX+6 Evasion+10 Critical hit rate +2%) for Blade: Hi outside?

Koga +2!

**Foldypaws** · 2012-01-01 19:26

Originally Posted by noodles355

While on the topic then, assuming I don't need AF3+2 body on during WS to maintain 5hit (dont remember if I do or not),does Ace's also beat Ares? I'm assuming it does, but always worth checking.

Depends on mob defense actually. IIRC on "Bukhis" and "Fodder" Ace's wins, but on "Qilin" (which is a guessed level 105 mob with 600 defense) Ares pulled ahead.

Regain/conserve TP means that WSing in sTP may increase your WS frequency enough on average to make up for less damage even if you don't need it to fit an x-hit, IIRC Lancer +2 always had the highest DPS although it had slightly lower WS damage.

I'd plug it directly into the DPS calc yourself if you're really concerned.

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