What's Better?

[keitari]

Monk Atmacites to Max Out/Infuse?

I'm using Spharai with Shinjin Spiral (Only have WoE knuckles for VS).

My thoughts:

1.) Atmacite of Discipline (for Save TP primarily, but the HP+, MBD+ since I tend to take a lot of damage)
2.) Atmacite of Incursion (Dex + and Attack + for Shinjin)

other possibilities:

3.) Atmacite of Coercion (for Acc+ and Regain)?
4.) Atmacite of Eminence (for HP+ and DA +3%)?

I don't have Coercion yet. I only just started doing VW about 2 weeks ago and I am only 1/2 through Jeuno so far.

Any suggestions? Atmacite I didn't consider?

[VZX01]

What's better for 5/5 Apex Arrow?

Seiryu's Kote + augments?

or:

Scout's Bracers +2: +7 STR, +7 AGI, + 11 R Attack?

Bracers +2

[Ixe]

Hey I have a question, and I will be the first to admit I can't do the math properly for this.

My question is
Loki's Kaftan VS Toci's Harness For Jishnu's Radiance

Thank you,
Ixe

[Kuishen]

Toci's Harness vs. Loki's Kaftan for stacked Rudra's?

Chances of me getting the Loki's+1 VW body are slim but if I do manage to, how would Toci's stand up to that as well?

Bump and how does Toci's stand up for Exenterator? Compared to me using Loki's atm. (Unstacked)

[Lyramion]

Before I go onto the big aug biz:

+4 STR 2% WSDmg VS +8STR on VS


One better? About even?

[Darkmagi]

#1 is better, and you can add in either acc or crit dmg as well.

[Seol]

For Jishnu's radiance, would Kakura feet +1 be the best option?

[noodles355]

Bump and how does Toci's stand up for Exenterator? Compared to me using Loki's atm. (Unstacked)

And to add on, what about compared to Denali?

[Lyramion]

Monk Atmacites to Max Out/Infuse?

I'm using Spharai with Shinjin Spiral (Only have WoE knuckles for VS).

My thoughts:

1.) Atmacite of Discipline (for Save TP primarily, but the HP+, MBD+ since I tend to take a lot of damage)
2.) Atmacite of Incursion (Dex + and Attack + for Shinjin)

other possibilities:

3.) Atmacite of Coercion (for Acc+ and Regain)?
4.) Atmacite of Eminence (for HP+ and DA +3%)?

I don't have Coercion yet. I only just started doing VW about 2 weeks ago and I am only 1/2 through Jeuno so far.

Any suggestions? Atmacite I didn't consider?

Unless you swim in Cruor, I wouldnt go for anything but 3.) Atmacite of Coercion.


In smooth fights the +3 Regain might dimish with COR and things, but when it gets rough, you will be happy for the +3 Regain. Like COR dead, Monarch gone, triggers shit etc. Also if you aren't maintanking it helps Club and Staff triggering alot.

[VZX01]

Hey I have a question, and I will be the first to admit I can't do the math properly for this.

My question is
Loki's Kaftan VS Toci's Harness For Jishnu's Radiance

Thank you,
Ixe

Loki's still,
Probably the only WS exception where once you got Toci's, you put out Loki's away.

For Jishnu's radiance, would Kakura feet +1 be the best option?

I currently use Kacura's +1; Haven't calculated it, but Scout's +2 is also a good option

[shen]

While we're on the subject, what's the current hierarchy of head pieces for Jishnu's Radiance?

[VZX01]

Cuauhtli. Head +1 > Aias > Cuauhtli. Head > Ocelomeh
Assuming fSTR2 and ratk isn't capped.

[dasva]

Depending on the strenght of the set bonus athos could be in that list

[Kohan]

As I'm still acquiring my Verethragna at a snail's pace (by no fault of my friends; we simply play rarely), I'm curious as to Shijin Spiral's viability. By Googling, I've uncovered Kinematics's breakdown on Allakhazam, and I've seen PUPs talking about it here on BG.

However, I have not definitively seen someone answer this question for me (besides a pre-update post that read like an off-handed comment):

Which is better, a fully merited Shijin Spiral, or Ascetic's Fury?

Any input, including general gearing advice for the former (which I'd imagine would go in the descending order of DEX > STR/ATK), would be greatly appreciated. I play MNK, not PUP, and the same goes for my roommates.

[Yugl]

OAT4 + Fully Merited Shijin is an alternative for those not looking to get Relic, Mythic, or Empyrean soon since you can solo that. Shijin should perform better, overall, compared to Ascetic's Fury. You'll want DEX > STR unless the STR is roughly 2.9x the DEX. Even then, DEX doesn't risk hitting a cap.

[Kohan]

From eyeballing a roommate's performance, I had the feeling that Shijin Spiral was more reliable over time than Ascetic's, but it's nice to have this confirmed. We are all Furor/Taurine users at the moment, though we're working on that. We all also already have Ascetic's Fury, hence the curiosity.

Thanks for your answer.

[Cream Soda]

Wrong thread

[shen]

Cuauhtli. Head +1 > Aias > Cuauhtli. Head > Ocelomeh
Assuming fSTR2 and ratk isn't capped.

Awesome thanks. Anwig with DEX/AGI+4 & WS/Crit dmg +2% still king in Abyssea? What about in fSTR2 capped situations?

[Hookah]

SAM TP sets

Masa/sword/ - /black tath
faz +1/mala/brutal/cent
faz rad mail/ace's/rajas/tyrant's
atheling/bullwhip/unkai+2/ace's

Threw the black tathlum on there to negate the - acc on ace's feet, otherwise this set would have -4 acc overall. Capped haste, obvious advantage of this set is the added DA from the faz set.

VS

masa/sword/ - /thew
zelus/mala/brutal/cent
ace's/ace's/rajas/tyrant's
atheling/goading/unkai+2/unkai+2

or

zelus/mala/brutal/cent
ace's/brego/rajas/tyrant's
atheling/bullwhip/unkai+2/unkai+2

Second set is only 25% haste in gear so it's short, need goading to off set -stp on ace's gloves. Third set is overcapped on haste, can switch BW for phasmida once Kaggen puts out for me. Both have a lot more acc then first set, but are missing the 5% DA from faz set, however this frees up feet slot for unkai +2. Could also swap brego for dusk +1, but I don't happen to have a pair of those atm.

All 3 sets less than 5 att from each other. They are also all 6 hits with fudo/shoha, and account for sword strap.

Thoughts?

[Churchill]

Do you want a perfect set or from what you have?

Hasso up
Masa/Rose/Hagnea
Zelus/Mala/Brutal/Unkai
Unkai/Brego/Rajas/Tyrants
Atheling/Bullwhip/Unkai/Usukane

Edit: Mixed AM/no AM sets.

Can also try Taints set,
Masa/Rose/Hagnea
Unkai/Unkai/Brutal/Unkai
Unkai/Brego/Tyrant/Rajas
Unkai/Bullwhip/Unkai/Aces


I think you've got your priorities wrong if you're worried about TP phase damage on SAM when it literally takes all of the amount of time for Shoha animation to end to Shoha again. Your sets all present 6 hits, this is silly. Taints set is actually a 1hit in VW, w/AM up mine allows for gear changes to cap haste, but I'm usually not diligent on using Kaiten much because it's really not necessary. Parses put me at 13-16k/45-65k. The second half is more important than the first.