What's Better?

[Drai]

Hagneia Stone is useful to help you 5hit. Hagneia+Rancor in TP > Hyoui+Thew.
Also what the fuck is your 2nd set. That looks like the most retarded 6hit I've ever seen. I mean seriously what the fuck. You give up neck slot for Hyoui's Gorget's STP... but then you waste the ring slot on Iota Ring when you could use Tyrant?!

Here:
Pole Grip
Thew Bomblet
Lancer's Mezail +2
Rancor Collar
Dragonkin
Brutal
Lancer's Plackart +2
Brego Gloves
Blitz Ring
Rajas Ring
Atheling Mantle
Bullwhip Belt
Calmecac Trousers
Lancer's Schylnbalds +2

Yeah that's a much better set than my haste set lol, if I replaced thew bomblette in the first set with hagneia stone and kept houyi's gorget would that let me replace rose strap with pole grip? Or is it just more worth it to go rancor + hagneia and leave the rose strap?

[noodles355]

There's a post about moonshade regain in this forum, in there theres talk about 492 5hits. I can't be bothered to search it out for you but basically, 5hitting 492 doesn't seem worth it unless you're using regain moonshade.

[Drai]

There's a post about moonshade regain in this forum, in there theres talk about 492 5hits. I can't be bothered to search it out for you but basically, 5hitting 492 doesn't seem worth it unless you're using regain moonshade.

Ok i'll Look for it, thanks for the help

[Nightfyre]

I misspoke with the storetp comment. What I meant was that my Tp per hit is so low on thf anyway that 5 stp isn't going to make any kind of functional difference.

Also not true, which you should have noticed when running it through the spreadsheet. The exact amount will be dependent on truncation (ie delays, DW, and prior STP) and TP return from WS, but you should still see a functional difference from 5 STP. Sometimes less than you'd expect if disregarding truncation, sometimes more, but 5 STP should always have an impact of some sort.

If I'm reading this correctly (and based on the fact that no one seems to have posted what the actual damage increase is from demonry, assassin's +2 feet, chiner's belt, or triplus dagger) the spreadsheet doesn't seem to account for the "increases triple attack damage" effect... Is that right?

If it's not in the gear page's stats then no, it doesn't. To be fair (and as you noted), I don't think we have accurate values for any of them.

[Arthars]

Ogrie/Af3/Ogrie/Ogrie

Didn't spend much time on it, but that looks to be correct.

Thanks man

and oh for the torcleaver part, i mis typed so i'll ask again O_O

jingang legs vs ogier legs

which?

[shen]

Wait, you're confused why your DPS is dropping when you're removing haste?

I'm confused by that whole paragraph because he says he's losing haste by going from non haste pieces to pieces with haste, so something is reversed.

Yeah I definitely wasn't paying attention when I wrote that, lol.

Okay, this is with the most recent spreadsheet. This is what I started with:

Twashtar (90) / Triplus / Raider's
Raider's +2 / Rancor / Brutal / Suppa
Raider's +2 / Raider's +2 / Rajas / Epona's
Atheling / Twilight / Raider's +2 / Dusk +1

My melee DPS is 144.286, and I'm at 26% Haste. Then I switch Dusk Ledelsens +1 for Assassin's Poulaine's +2, and my melee DPS jumps to 146.127 but I'm only at 23% Haste. Is that accurate? Also, I then switch Raider's Armlets +2 out for Brego Gloves and my DPS drops yet again to 144.561, although my haste went from 23% to 27%. (well technically 26%).

I don't have ODD turned on or anything, using Red Curry Bun, Haste is on, target is Fodder, outside of Abyssea, STR merits, Hume race, /NIN, everything else is default or off.

edit:

If I'm reading this correctly (and based on the fact that no one seems to have posted what the actual damage increase is from demonry, assassin's +2 feet, chiner's belt, or triplus dagger) the spreadsheet doesn't seem to account for the "increases triple attack damage" effect... Is that right?

It does, but I'm not sure how accurately. If you go to the Data tab, Chiner's/Triplus/Demonry are listed as giving a 5% increase to TA damage, and Assassin's +2 is giving a 3% increase.

[Foldypaws]

Check your crit rate under the data tab in the two sets. I can't duplicate your numbers for some reason, (I get 130.273 for the setup you mention with Dusk +1).

However, in that set I see 18% crit rate. Dropping dusk +1 for Assassin +2 caps my crit rate from dDex, when it wasn't capped before. So Assassin is actually giving 2% crit as well as 3% TA and the TA damage.

And then dropping Raider's +2 for Brego costs me 3% crit rate from dDEX.

So yeah, you just happen to be in the tiny region of dDEX where it greatly affects your crit rate, and you're not in a high enough haste situation where losing 2.5% haste makes up for the crit rate. (It's only a 3.3% loss of attack speed)

Edit: also, get a STR Thokcha. It kicks the shit out of Triplus.

[pancakesandsex]

Check your crit rate under the data tab in the two sets. I can't duplicate your numbers for some reason, (I get 130.273 for the setup you mention with Dusk +1).

However, in that set I see 18% crit rate. Dropping dusk +1 for Assassin +2 caps my crit rate from dDex, when it wasn't capped before. So Assassin is actually giving 2% crit as well as 3% TA and the TA damage.

And then dropping Raider's +2 for Brego costs me 3% crit rate from dDEX.

So yeah, you just happen to be in the tiny region of dDEX where it greatly affects your crit rate, and you're not in a high enough haste situation where losing 2.5% haste makes up for the crit rate. (It's only a 3.3% loss of attack speed)

Edit: also, get a STR Thokcha. It kicks the shit out of Triplus.

The version I'm using doesn't have brego and doesn't support merits 13-15 on stats (won't go past 12). Is there a newer version or do I need to make modifications manually?

[noodles355]

There should be a newer version for download on montanten googledocs.

[Foldypaws]

The version I'm using doesn't have brego and doesn't support merits 13-15 on stats (won't go past 12). Is there a newer version or do I need to make modifications manually?

Er, you can only merit stats to 12. HP/MP go to 15, STR doesn't.

You probably need to add brego manually, just do an "add line" to the gear data page and make sure it's not the first or last line of the slot.

[pancakesandsex]

There should be a newer version for download on montanten googledocs.

Can you link me because the collection I have shared seems to be all old versions. Says Jan 10th for the last update on google docs itself, but upon download the things I mentioned are still missing.

Edit: Found the link in his profile but it's the same as what I already have. Can I add gear manually?
Edit 2: Guess I can.

Still doesn't take care of merits 13-15 though. (any number entered higher than 12 on the setup page is restricted). This seems like it might be a little more complicated to alter, can anyone point me in the right direction here? Also what is set ratio (on setup, bottom right) for?

[Foldypaws]

Still doesn't take care of merits 13-15 though. (any number entered higher than 12 on the setup page is restricted)

Again, you can't merit STR more than 12 times. Go look at your merits.

[xerodok]

Zodiac Ring vs. Diamond Ring (INT+7) on appropriate day?

[pancakesandsex]

Again, you can't merit STR more than 12 times. Go look at your merits.

My bad, I'm mixing up the caps for HP/MP with stats and misreading the sheet. I think I'm good now.

With the 23% haste set demonry actually seems to come out on top O_o

Looks like this will be the way to go for now (for gear I already have):

Raider's boomerang
Raider's +2/Agasaya/Brutal/Supa
Raider's +2/Raiders +2/Demonry/Eponas
Atheling/Twilight/Raiders +2/Assassin's +2

42.096 dps

Raider's boomerang
Raider's +2/Agasaya/Brutal/Supa
Raider's +2/Raiders +2/rajas/Eponas
Atheling/Twilight/Raiders +2/Assassin's +2

41.324 dps

Used Bukhis settings with no buffs, no food, 12 dex merits 5 crit merits 16 dagger

[Taint]

Thanks man

and oh for the torcleaver part, i mis typed so i'll ask again O_O

jingang legs vs ogier legs

which?

Ogrie

[Alkimi]

Zodiac Ring vs. Diamond Ring (INT+7) on appropriate day?

Zodiac, believe it's +3% damage.

[grevenilvec75]

Resolution or Ruinator? no ukon yet so I merited upheaval (and exenterator for my DNC) now I need a 3rd merit WS.

[noodles355]

My bad, I'm mixing up the caps for HP/MP with stats and misreading the sheet. I think I'm good now.

With the 23% haste set demonry actually seems to come out on top O_o

Looks like this will be the way to go for now (for gear I already have):

Raider's boomerang
Raider's +2/Agasaya/Brutal/Supa
Raider's +2/Raiders +2/Demonry/Eponas
Atheling/Twilight/Raiders +2/Assassin's +2

42.096 dps

Raider's boomerang
Raider's +2/Agasaya/Brutal/Supa
Raider's +2/Raiders +2/rajas/Eponas
Atheling/Twilight/Raiders +2/Assassin's +2

41.324 dps

Used Bukhis settings with no buffs, no food, 12 dex merits 5 crit merits 16 dagger

Try swapping in Alucinor Mitts (8Dex 4Haste) over AF3+2 hands, if you're in that sweet dDex range where 1dex=1%crit, then you'll keep the crit bonus. That'll tell you if in general a haste hands would be better in that set. If it is, then just appreciate that Bukhis is a one-mob example, and you can't make your gear choices around the AGI values of one perticular mob, unless you're only fighting that one perticular mob, and use a haste alternative over the +2 hands.

[shen]

Try swapping in Alucinor Mitts (8Dex 4Haste) over AF3+2 hands, if you're in that sweet dDex range where 1dex=1%crit, then you'll keep the crit bonus. That'll tell you if in general a haste hands would be better in that set. If it is, then just appreciate that Bukhis is a one-mob example, and you can't make your gear choices around the AGI values of one perticular mob, unless you're only fighting that one perticular mob, and use a haste alternative over the +2 hands.

Alucinor dropped me in DPS ;/ both on Bukhis and Fodder. Not sure what weapons he's using but I still have Twash/Triplus in. With those settings, Raider's Armlets +2 have me sitting at 62.023 Melee DPS while Alucinor puts me at 61.811. For fodder, it's 85.445 (Raider's) to 82.455 (Alucinor). Raider's continues to win whenever I increase haste, too. Was thinking Alucinor would come out on top by increasing haste... but it continues to lose with every combination of Marches/Haste/Samba lol.

[Foldypaws]

.. 85 for fodder?

I don't know how you're getting that low. With every buff/debuff turned off, and no food, outside abyssea, and twash/triplus, I get 89.9 for the +2 hands, and 86.5 for Brego.

If you stay with no food, then +2 hands win even with haste+2x march, if you add RCB then Brego pulls ahead with haste + 2xmarch, though it loses with just single march. (Add sambas in and you're now capping delay reduction without gear haste, so the +2 hands win again)