Voidwatch NM Weaknesses

[Yoky]

Been lazy bout asking, but figured i should ask cause..i havent seen it.

Automaton special abilities? What are the procs?

I usually just ignore it cause its rarely/never HV or EX...

[Sute]

Been lazy bout asking, but figured i should ask cause..i havent seen it.

Automaton special abilities? What are the procs?

I usually just ignore it cause its rarely/never HV or EX...

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Voidwatch_Weaknesses
Under weapon skill vulnerabilities: automation

[Yoky]

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Voidwatch_Weaknesses
Under weapon skill vulnerabilities: automation

I knew those... but i'm talking bout when it say automaton abilities. Not automaton Weaponskills.

I have seen Automaton: Abilities show up quite a few times... I was wondering if it meant like shield bash or what.

[Kaisha]

You sure it wasn't Puppetmaster Ability? I've never heard of Automaton hints other than WS.


Also, anyone got a clue yet what causes the blank ability hints? Had a couple of them on Rex today. Do we know if the other languages have that issue also?

[Prothescar]

Has there ever been screenshot evidence for Lowing being a fire blue magic proc? Not only are NMs immune to its effect, but I've yet to have it spring up as a potential proc in hundreds of VW fights as a BLU, it's always been one of the other four.

[Eurell]

Anyone else seen Holy II proc? We had it the other night on Pil, but didn't realize it was unconfirmed, so didn't think to get a ss. Now I'm wondering if someone else casted dia or something at the same time and didn't say anything.

[Helel]

Has there ever been screenshot evidence for Lowing being a fire blue magic proc? Not only are NMs immune to its effect, but I've yet to have it spring up as a potential proc in hundreds of VW fights as a BLU, it's always been one of the other four.

Yeah I was wondering this too. Considering it doesn't land period, it would be impossible for anyone to proc a NM with this in the first place (i.e. I'm not sure who recommended it to be added to the list). I'm guessing whoever recommended it probably got confused by a chat log error.

[Greatguardian]

Random factoid about Voidwatch NM weaknesses, in case this hadn't been reported before:

NMs with multiple forms (in particular, Nympha Eunomia at the least) seem to gain a second White !! Proc on their second form if you proc the first White proc on their first form. When doing the moth the other night, we got H2H White on Roach form and proc'd it, then got PUP White discerned when it changed to Moth form. Has anyone else seen something like this? Or is this old news?

[Seraph]

Random factoid about Voidwatch NM weaknesses, in case this hadn't been reported before:

NMs with multiple forms (in particular, Nympha Eunomia at the least) seem to gain a second White !! Proc on their second form if you proc the first White proc on their first form. When doing the moth the other night, we got H2H White on Roach form and proc'd it, then got PUP White discerned when it changed to Moth form. Has anyone else seen something like this? Or is this old news?

It's been known that procs reset when mobs change forms, so this isn't too unexpected. Good to have some confirmation on it though.

[Robertfb]

ok once again, had another blu weakness that wouldn't proc, double checked and triple checked this time that i was using the correct procs, was light and all 4 spells landed on the mob (was jueno T4 beetle) and still no proc, so either it's that glitch where it won't proc or there's a unknown light proc for blu.

[Kaope]

According to JP Wiki : 青魔法、自爆で弱点確認しました。 -- 2012-01-03 (火) 20:35:10

Self-destruct being confirmed for fire proc?

In regard to Lowing, JP wiki also has it under unconfirmed.

[VZX01]

No, it just saying Self destruct is confirmed as one of the possible proc 火 there refers to 火曜日 which is Tuesday (2012-01-03)

[Taim Meich]

Just in case there was any doubt, Blade: Rin confirmed as a Katana proc, by a NIN friend:

Spoiler: show

http://i42.tinypic.com/qrhhys.jpg

[cdgreg]

ok once again, had another blu weakness that wouldn't proc, double checked and triple checked this time that i was using the correct procs, was light and all 4 spells landed on the mob (was jueno T4 beetle) and still no proc, so either it's that glitch where it won't proc or there's a unknown light proc for blu.

I know you said you double and triple checked, but my first thought was did the proc get repeatedly absorbed by shadows?

[Prothescar]

Most blue magic isn't absorbed by its shadows, definitely not the light proc spells. Light of penance has shit accuracy though, could be you missed and didn't realize.

[Robertfb]

checked the log at the time to see if any of them got absorbed or missed and they all indeed landed, even light of penance, I set the other light dmg spells just in case and tried magic hammer right before it died and didn't proc, so if it wasn't the 4, it might have been 1000 needles...... (if it would even land at all), or that glitch.

[Mairja]

Anyone else seen Holy II proc? We had it the other night on Pil, but didn't realize it was unconfirmed, so didn't think to get a ss. Now I'm wondering if someone else casted dia or something at the same time and didn't say anything.

I thought Holy II was the same as Blizzaja, i.e. not a proc in any of the voidwatch paths except probably Jeuno II. Personally I've never seen it as proc.

Still curious if Thundaja can be a proc in Jeuno II (I'm thinking it can't be?).

[keany]

Noticed on the Voidwatch Weaknesses spreadsheet is has Blade: Rin as unconfirmed. I just procced Kaggen with it earlier today. Would have had a screenshot if I didn't forgot about it and DC right after the fight.

[Colenzo]

http://i42.tinypic.com/316or2e.jpg

lol

[Septimus]

Looking at the data files, the phrase "special abilities" is only used for BST pets and Puppetmaster frames.

These are the lines:

The fiend appears ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/highly /extremely ]vulnerable to ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/rabbit family/mandragora family/lizard family/funguar family/fly family/flytrap family/eft family/coeurl family/leech family/ladybug family/raptor family] special abilities!

The fiend appears ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/highly /extremely ]vulnerable to ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/Valoredge X-900 frame/Sharpshot Z-500 frame/Harlequin and Stormwaker Y-700 frame/automaton] ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 1)≻[weapon skills/special abilities]!

This is the Japanese text from the same lines:

いまのモンスターの弱点には、
≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/ウサギ族/マンドラゴラ族/トカゲ族/大羊族/キノコ族/フライ族/フライトラップ族/エフト族/クァール族/リーチ族/レディバグ族/ラプトル族]の≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 1)≻[特殊技/]が
含まれているはずだ！≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/！！/！！！！]

いまのモンスターの弱点には、
≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/白兵戦フレーム/射撃戦フレーム/湎用・魔法戦フレーム/オートマトン]の≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 1)≻[ウェポンスキル/特殊技]が
含まれているはずだ！≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/！！/！！！！]

The one thing that I noticed right away though a crappy Google translate is that the Japanese text includes "Sheep" whereas the English text does not.

I then cross checked German:

Das Monster ist nun≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/ besonders/ ganz besonders] anfällig gegen≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 1)≻[ Spezialattacken/] von≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/ Hasen-Verwandten/ Mandragora-Verwandten/ Echsen-Verwandten/ Riesenschaf-Verwandten/ Funguar-Verwandten/ Libellen-Verwandten/ Flytrap-Verwandten/ Eft-Verwandten/ Coeurl-Verwandten/ Leech-Verwandten/ Ladybug-Verwandten/ Raptor-Verwandten]!

Google translate shows "Big Sheep" as the fourth option.

And then I cross checked the French version:

L'un des points faibles ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/majeurs /critiques ]du monstre est une attaque spéciale ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/de lapin/de mandragora/de lézard/de mouton/de funguar/de libellule/de flytrap/d'eft/de coeurl/de leech/de coccinelle/de raptor] !≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/!!/!!!!]

Google translate shows "Sheep" as the fourth option.

It seems that sheep-family abilities are the missing proc set.