Voidwatch NM Weaknesses

**Byrthnoth** · 2011-08-02 12:55

Do you mean you've yet to successfully proc a THF JA, or get a THF JA hint?

It could be mercy on SE's part. If abilities/spells don't land, they don't proc, right? Steal and Mug would just be another Modus Veritas.

**Kaisha** · 2011-08-02 12:56

A hint. JA hints overall seem to be in the minority for my LS, which is probably a good thing as it'd like be something we don't have half the time like PUP, SMN, or friggen' DRG pet breaths.

I'm actually curious if SE ninja'd their frequency a patch or two back, as I recalled getting HV JA triggers every other fight back when VW was new.

**Michelob** · 2011-08-02 13:55

Originally Posted by Slycer

Also, still never seen an Empyrean/Mythic/Relic WS be chosen as a stagger to proc weakness, after something like 200 fights. Almost positive that they aren't included in the list of potential staggers.

The only time that I have gone DRK to voidwatch so far we got Scythe WS. I have an Apocalypse but I never bothered unlocking the Mythic WS and I don't have an empyrean scythe. I went through my whole list twice and was not able to proc that weakness so I know that at least one or the other of Mythic or Empyrean WS has to be in the list (seeing as DRK can do all scythe WS in the game). This was post-update as well.

EDIT: I'm retarded and didn't realize that I never did the WSNM for Scythe, so that was likely the WS that it was. My apologies.

**Slycer** · 2011-08-02 14:17

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

Do you mean you've yet to successfully proc a THF JA, or get a THF JA hint?

Never seen a THF JA message (or any JA message not in the list in the first post).

**Slycer** · 2011-08-02 14:18

Originally Posted by Kaisha

A hint. JA hints overall seem to be in the minority for my LS, which is probably a good thing as it'd like be something we don't have half the time like PUP, SMN, or friggen' DRG pet breaths.

I'm guessing there's a giant pool of all the possible WS and JA procs (including blood pacts and pet/wyvern/automaton stuff), and one is randomly picked. Since there are far more total WSes than JAs, you probably see like one potential JA proc for every three or four WS procs.

Edit: Actually on second thought, JAs seem to come up more frequently than the above suggestion would suggest, so maybe not. There's like a 10:1 ratio of WS to JAs, but JA procs definitely come up more than once for every ten WS procs.

**AzazaelFenrir** · 2011-08-02 15:01

Originally Posted by Kaisha

or friggen' DRG pet breaths.

DRG Pet breath is even more annoying if you have strafe meritted. The Damn pet keeps picking the weekness over and over and over and over . . .

**Michelob** · 2011-08-03 13:54

Since you don't have them listed in the OP, Infernal Scythe and Cross Reaper both proc'd yesterday for me.

**Slycer** · 2011-08-08 09:44

Just thought it worth mentioning here that I've been keeping the top post up to date, adding stuff and removing asterisks as I find new procs. I also think it's worth mentioning that my group is repeatedly seeing BLU procs appearing from the rather small lists that are currently in the OP for each element as opposed to a new spell that we haven't seen proc yet. Leads me to believe that it is not the full list of BLU spells that can proc, but only a small amount of each element. For example, there are nine possible BLU spells that could fall under the "fire" category, but we've seen Firespit and Thermal Pulse each proc multiple times, and none of the others have ever proc'ed fire for us.

Also, if anyone can confirm or reject theories that we've had up to this point, that would be helpful. Especially the assumption that mythic, relic, and empyrean weapon skills are NOT procs for weaknesses. Another one is that I've still yet to see a tier V nuke proc a weakness - has anyone seen that happen (post-update where the name of the person who triggered the stagger appears in the log)? Similarly, I've never seen Dia/Banish/Banishga (tier Is) proc, but I've seen all of the associated tier II and IIIs proc.

Thought it also worth mentioning that Bounty Shot cannot proc stagger if it doesn't boost TH level ("no effect"). This is super dumb, along the lines of Modus Veritas not proc-ing when it resists, as you basically will never be able to proc it if you have a THF applying TH. Got stuck last night with a basically impossible RNG JA weakness (wasn't Shadowbind and TH was already at 8 so Bounty Shot wasn't proc-ing at all).

**Kaisha** · 2011-08-08 14:10

If there's one thing I should say about your list compared to mine, is that my LS has yet to see a single T1 nuke, so we've pretty much written it off like we have T5.

**Churchill** · 2011-08-08 14:27

I want to say I saw a THF JA on a T1 Bastok awhile ago...but I just want to say that, I can't be sure.

**Slycer** · 2011-08-10 08:45

When avatar blood pacts come up as the proc, has anyone tried performing one blood pact from each avatar? I was thinking perhaps it chooses one particular avatar to stagger and any blood pact from that avatar would stagger.

Unrelated to this, can anyone confirm or deny that single target tier I and tier V nukes aren't potential procs? Also unrelated, is Libra a SCH JA proc or only Modus Veritas?

Confirmed some more ninjutsu procs also (Yurin and Hojo).

**xerodok** · 2011-08-10 10:17

Originally Posted by Slycer

When avatar blood pacts come up as the proc, has anyone tried performing one blood pact from each avatar? I was thinking perhaps it chooses one particular avatar to stagger and any blood pact from that avatar would stagger.

It's completely random, 'Avatar Blood Pacts' proc can be any of the mob-targeting blood pacts.

Unrelated to this, can anyone confirm or deny that single target tier I and tier V nukes aren't potential procs? Also unrelated, is Libra a SCH JA proc or only Modus Veritas?

Libra and Modus Veritas are both procs.

Update for OP:

Carbuncle (Holy Mist, Meteorite), Diabolos (Camisado, Nether Blast, Somnolence), Shiva (Rush)

Here are procs I've personally hit that are not in OP:

Diabolos: Nightmare, Night Terror
Fenrir: Eclipse Bite
Carbuncle: Poison Nails
Ramuh: Chaotic Strike
Shvia: Double Slap

**Colenzo** · 2011-08-10 14:22

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spre...hl=en_US#gid=0

does anybody know the person keeping track of this list?

**Kaisha** · 2011-08-10 15:02

Originally Posted by Colenzo

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spre...hl=en_US#gid=0

does anybody know the person keeping track of this list?

It has my name on the upper right of the list. ;/

I've also been turning the sharing of it on/off the past couple weeks as I try to maintain and add stuff to it. Considering adding LS-specific stuff to it at which point I may make private as I'm quite enjoying Google Docs (first time using it). I'll probably attach an offline copy to this site of just the triggers by then if no one else has provided their own cleaned-up documentation.

Unrelated to this, can anyone confirm or deny that single target tier I and tier V nukes aren't potential procs? Also unrelated, is Libra a SCH JA proc or only Modus Veritas?

I've yet to record a singe T1/T5 nuke from my runs so I've ruled them off.

SCH JA I'd be certain is just Modus Veritas. I've yet to get a single JA hint using Libra, and I spam it during the fights for the BLM's sake.

**Colenzo** · 2011-08-10 15:19

haha woops i didnt scroll over that far, this is embarrassing ;<

**vagus** · 2011-08-10 15:30

Originally Posted by Colenzo

haha woops i didnt scroll over that far, this is embarrassing ;<

Lol.

Thanks for compiling and updating list Kaisha. Much appreciated.

**Kaisha** · 2011-08-10 15:56

Originally Posted by vagus

Lol.

Thanks for compiling and updating list Kaisha. Much appreciated.

I'm doing it for my own sanity as I'm usually the person keeping track of what's been done during my runs.

The list so far has helped me rule out T1/T5 nukes, and Relic/Emp/Mythic WS as we've yet to have a weapon skill we couldn't trigger that we had all WS (up to the 290-300 skill WS) for. Saves a lot of time and prevents unneeded mob TP. I'm still trying to determine if there's a clean max-WS-per-weapon though. I used to feel it'd be a clean 8 per weapon type, which it is as far as everything *I* confirmed has gone, but I recorded a couple WS other's have mentioned that make me feel it'd be 10-per-weapon at most.

**Radec** · 2011-08-10 17:49

Spoiler: show

Most of the proc's we've landed since 7-14. Largely they're on the googledocs list already, but is some new, and some confirmation.

Abilities:

Code:

Aeolian Edge
Backhand Blow
blade ku
blade ten
blade: yu
Blast Arrow
bora axe
Bounty shot
Chi Blast
chimera ripper
circle blade
Combo
Earth Crusher
Energy Steal
Fire Shot
Gust Slash
hard slash
heavy swing
hexa strike
high jump
Howling Fist
Leg Sweep
Modus Veritas
Moonlit Charge
Numbing shot
One Inch Punch
Poison Nails
quick step
Raging Fists
red lotus blade
retribution
Rock Crusher
savage blade
Shadow of Death
skewer
sonic thrust
spirit taker
Split Shot
Starburst
swift blade
tachi: ageha
Tachi: Enpi
tachi: hobaku
Tachi: Jinpu
tachi: koki

Spells:

Code:

absorb agi
absorb int
addle
aero 2
aero 3
aeroga
aeroga 2
aeroga 3
blank gaze
blind 2
Blitzstrahl
blizzard 2
Blizzard 4
charged whisker
cold wave
dark threnody
dispel
Dokumori
doton: san
firaga
fire thren
flare 2
flood 2
Freeze
frost breath
Hecatomb Wave
huton ichi
huton: ni
Hyoton: ni
Hyoton: San
Infrasonics
Katon: Ichi
Lowing
Mysterious Light
Quake 2
Sandspin
slow
suiton ni
water 4
yurin ichi

**Churchill** · 2011-08-10 18:00

Saw Thunder proc last night, so unless it was an error in the log T1's can proc.

**Eldelphia** · 2011-08-11 05:42

Originally Posted by Kaisha

It has my name on the upper right of the list. ;/

I've also been turning the sharing of it on/off the past couple weeks as I try to maintain and add stuff to it. Considering adding LS-specific stuff to it at which point I may make private as I'm quite enjoying Google Docs (first time using it). I'll probably attach an offline copy to this site of just the triggers by then if no one else has provided their own cleaned-up documentation.

I've yet to record a singe T1/T5 nuke from my runs so I've ruled them off.

SCH JA I'd be certain is just Modus Veritas. I've yet to get a single JA hint using Libra, and I spam it during the fights for the BLM's sake.

Instead of allowing people into the framework of the doc you can just publish as a webpage so they can see the end results. The URL is subtly different and its what we do for our Aby wishlists. My suggestion would be to do that.

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