Voidwatch NM Weaknesses

[Kaisha]

Instead of allowing people into the framework of the doc you can just publish as a webpage so they can see the end results. The URL is subtly different and its what we do for our Aby wishlists. My suggestion would be to do that.

[EDIT] Nevermind, found it after realizing I was searching for a 'share' button outside of the document itself after having read Google Doc's....documents. Thanks for the heads up!

Loving Google Docs more by the day. Got any idea how to make the published document not show the cell lines? It's turned off in the framework, so I'm probably missing something here.


[EDIT2] Remade the document/link since four people were spamming my gmail inbox with requests to share the framework version - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=0&output=html

[Burne]

LS member did stagger with Flat Blade last night and that isn't on the list.

[Kaisha]

I'm mostly just updating the list based on what I see for myself. WS specifically are not much of a worry for me since the trend is to try every WS that deals dmg up to WSNM & 290-300 skill lvls, ignoring weapon-specific stuff. Has yet to fail us, and it's not like we've noticed any means of knowing which WS of the bunch to use specifically, other than the odd feeling that the first couple WS seem to have a higher bias for being selected.


[EDIT] I yabber too much when sleep deprived. Short-story: I'll add stuff at my own leisure that I find posted in the thread for me to confirm on my own runs, it's a personal list primarily that's meant to be easier for me to scan than the old txt document I had prior to creating the sheet. I don't need people pointing out if I'm missing stuff basically since it's not really the point of my chart...........unless it's stupid shit like PUP Automaton or SMN BP-related triggers I'll never see because they rarely come up, and my LS rarely uses either for VW.

Fuck it, 9AM, sleep time, can't write cohesive sentences....

[Slycer]

At this point, I'm fairly confident that tier I and tier V single target nukes don't proc. This also includes Dia, Banish, and Bio (I).

@ Kaisha, your JA list is missing Blade Bash (SAM), Bounty Shot (RNG), and Libra (SCH), as well as all of the COR elemental shots.

Has anyone with DRG proc'ed on any other jump besides Super Jump? I'd assume the other ones proc but I haven't seen.

Flat Blade was already in the sword list as a confirmed proc btw. The WS list there includes all WS except non-offensive ones, Mythic, Relic, and Empyrean WSes. The ones with *'s are the ones which have yet to be confirmed, but I'm pretty sure they are all possibilities.

Actually, one I'm not positive about is Spirits Within since it has unique properties - has anyone proc'ed with that?

[Eldelphia]

Loving Google Docs more by the day. Got any idea how to make the published document not show the cell lines? It's turned off in the framework, so I'm probably missing something here.

Going into 'View' and click on or off 'Gridlines' help? If not then you can manually select the cells you don't want gridlines around and use the button to the left of the alignment button within google docs to remove the borders manually.

Does that help?

[Radec]

At this point, I'm fairly confident that tier I and tier V single target nukes don't proc. This also includes Dia, Banish, and Bio (I).

@ Kaisha, your JA list is missing Blade Bash (SAM), Bounty Shot (RNG), and Libra (SCH), as well as all of the COR elemental shots.

Has anyone with DRG proc'ed on any other jump besides Super Jump? I'd assume the other ones proc but I haven't seen.

Flat Blade was already in the sword list as a confirmed proc btw. The WS list there includes all WS except non-offensive ones, Mythic, Relic, and Empyrean WSes. The ones with *'s are the ones which have yet to be confirmed, but I'm pretty sure they are all possibilities.

Actually, one I'm not positive about is Spirits Within since it has unique properties - has anyone proc'ed with that?

High jump and Spirits have worked for us.

[Kaisha]

@ Kaisha, your JA list is missing Blade Bash (SAM), Bounty Shot (RNG), and Libra (SCH), as well as all of the COR elemental shots.

I know I'm missing stuff, I'm just adding them as I see them for myself, and I've still to see Libra give a single hint msg nor proc when SCH Ability hint is up.
(nor could I ever land Modus Veritus to actually trigger the bloody hint either)

Actually, one I'm not positive about is Spirits Within since it has unique properties - has anyone proc'ed with that?

I've seen it with my LS, and have it listed on mine, so I'm certain it can. I doubt the system cares about a WS property as long as it capable of dealing damage and doesn't whiff.

[Slycer]

New link is here - https://spreadsheets.google.com/spre...=0&output=html

What are "Love" and "Love II" under BLM spells for Light? rofl

Also, just to confirm, I've personally seen Ice, Fire, Wind, and Thunder Shots proc on COR. I have yet to see Water and Earth shots proc, but I'm sure they are procs also. Dark Shot and Light Shot may or may not be procs. Dark Shot and Light Shot "miss" when they don't dispel or sleep, so I don't know whether it would even be possible to proc with Light Shot.

[Sym]

proc'd Chaotic Strike on Voidwrought.

[ronin sparthos]

Predator Claws was an avatar blood pact trigger and isnt in the OP.

[Slycer]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_US&gid=0

Link above is a new published version of Voidwatch weaknesses that I put together using the information from the starting post of this thread. I'll try to keep stuff updated in both places. I'm not using this spreadsheet for any other purpose other than to track weaknesses so I'll keep it updated. The magic, JA, and WS staggers are separated into tabbed sheets. The magic sheet is loosely color-sorted by type of spell.

Anything with an asterisk needs confirmation. Please also let me know if anything is missing. I went ahead and added in the full list of monster targeting, non-Astral Flow blood pacts (not including spells). Out of curiosity, has anyone proc'ed an avatar blood pact weakness stagger using an avatar's spell? I know that avatar spells are treated differently by the game than PC spells (more like JAs than spells), so I was wondering if anyone had proc'ed using one. Would expand the list of BPs considerably, and suck, but just wanted to check.

For a useful redirect URL to refer people to in-game:

http://bit.ly/voidwatch

[Aja]

Just had Dark Harvest proc on Hahava. Crescent Moon as well.

[Slycer]

Out of curiosity, has anyone proc'ed an avatar blood pact weakness stagger using an avatar's spell? I know that avatar spells are treated differently by the game than PC spells (more like JAs than spells), so I was wondering if anyone had proc'ed using one. Would expand the list of BPs considerably, and suck, but just wanted to check.

As a follow-up to this, I saw on the JP Wiki that Aero II and Thunder II were "confirmed" avatar blood pact procs from Garuda and Ramuh. Can anyone else confirm that avatar spells proc as blood pacts?

[cdgreg]

I see SMN T2 merits with an * in Slycer's file needing verification that they've proc'd. Anyone have any proof of meteor strike, heavenly strike, wind blade, geocrush, thunderstorm, or grand fall procing? Or even a reliable contributor saying, "Yup, I've done it?" Trying to dump merits into T2 SMN and want to make sure I get it right. Leveled SMN mostly for Voidwatch and the future voidwatch.

[Kaisha]

I've seen a Grand Fall proc, so Cat2 are definitely required. All I did was 5/5 in Shiva (lolAbyssea), 1 in the rest.

[Cairthenn]

Not sure how updated OP is, but Swift Blade and Sunburst definitely both proc.

[Ophannus]

I staggered last night using Smiting Breath. I'm sure it was the JA and not the breath since the !! appeared before my Wyvern used the breath(was still charging the animation)

[Slycer]

I staggered last night using Smiting Breath. I'm sure it was the JA and not the breath since the !! appeared before my Wyvern used the breath(was still charging the animation)

Do you know if it was a Wyvern ability or Dragoon ability proc?

Also, still wondering about avatar spells proc-ing as blood pacts as was reported on the JP Wiki. This would include all the tier II and IV single target spells and the AoE enfeebles (the ones that can stick anyway).

[Kaibelf]

Do you know if it was a Wyvern ability or Dragoon ability proc?

Also, still wondering about avatar spells proc-ing as blood pacts as was reported on the JP Wiki. This would include all the tier II and IV single target spells and the AoE enfeebles (the ones that can stick anyway).

I literally JUST proc'd with Heavenly Strike also.

[Telamond]

Proced nq twice on behemoth in jugner (s) with skullbreaker last night on lightning day, is the theory still that its random ws/spells?