Square Enix Account Transfer Information Page(6/27/2011)

[Solace]

I transferred my accounts yesterday before fully reading this thread and realizing what the fuck was going on. Does this mean, to play in august, i gotta buy this dumb ass crysta bs?

Yes. If you have already done the transfer, the payment method has to be in pace by the 1st of August.

[Cail]

Yes (assuming you chose Crysta over Click&Buy)

damn it all to fucking hell...all i wanted to do was cancel mules from bonanza so i dint get charged this month

[Julian]

To anyone that's just like "Deal with it": Fuck you. There is no reason we should have to fucking deal with this retarded shit.

And if you guys think that having to buy crysta every 30 days is bad, imagine having to do it 3 times, on 3 fucking accounts, and over-paying 3 times. That's not fucking happening.

Also, with school/college starting back up for everyone (that's still in school,) that's a pretty big fucking demotivator to stop playing. I'm already probably only going to be playing on weekends, and maybe some weekdays when classes start back up, possibly even less than that. This just pushes me to cancel my accounts and not bother with this shit.

[Michelob]

To anyone that's just like "Deal with it": Fuck you. There is no reason we should have to fucking deal with this retarded shit.

And if you guys think that having to buy crysta every 30 days is bad, imagine having to do it 3 times, on 3 fucking accounts, and over-paying 3 times. That's not fucking happening.

Also, with school/college starting back up for everyone (that's still in school,) that's a pretty big fucking demotivator to stop playing. I'm already probably only going to be playing on weekends, and maybe some weekdays when classes start back up, possibly even less than that. This just pushes me to cancel my accounts and not bother with this shit.

I don't really want to quit playing, but I'm not switching anything before the end of August until we have better options. If that doesn't happen then I'm on extended break until something does happen. I've payed this company for over 7 years with no issues, no charge-backs, etc. and all of a sudden my money isn't good anymore? They can take a few months to figure out this bullshit while I'm taking my (permanent?)leave.

[Arkanna]

I don't really want to quit playing, but I'm not switching anything before the end of August until we have better options. If that doesn't happen then I'm on extended break until something does happen. I've payed this company for over 7 years with no issues, no charge-backs, etc. and all of a sudden my money isn't good anymore? They can take a few months to figure out this bullshit while I'm taking my (permanent?)leave.

That's pretty much my plan as well. I'll transfer my POL account in August after that month is billed, but if nothing else changes, I won't pay for September.

[Michelob]

That's pretty much my plan as well. I'll transfer my POL account in August after that month is billed, but if nothing else changes, I won't pay for September.

I'm not even going to transfer it until they release some other option for payment.

[Ocara]

While it is more annoying than having it automatically deduced, it would take about 5 minutes to add crysta to 3 accounts per month if you set up your paypal account. People causing a shitstorm over losing 5 minutes of your life per month.

Honestly I set up a new dualbox account the other day using this system and it took half the time it would have using POL's shitty slow-ass fake web browser to set up all my payment and account stuff using the SEID page. I was registered to POL, had a content ID, had crysta in my account, and was creating my character in less than 10 minutes. I won't disagree SE is being really stupid by making it harder to pay them (again) but I can't believe you play ffxi and haven't built up an inhuman tolerance for inconvenience by now.

[bungiefan]

lol well I usually am against people claiming this, butSE is bending over for JP players and not giving a fuck about others.

Via the official forums:

http://www.playonline.com/home/polshift/imgs/img08.jpg

JP can still pay directly via CC.

And I believe it was bungifan who pointed out japanese players can buy crysta in any amount they want.

Via WebMoney, you can convert it to Crysta in any increment. I converted all 769 of my WebMoney points to Crysta. The problem is that WebMoney is only sold in increments of 500 or so (you can buy 500, 1000, 5000, and 10000 point cards). However, WebMoney is accepted in Japan for about 3000 services and games.

When you're in the account management pages for a JP SE Account, there is now a posted warning acknowledging that non-JP cards are not accepted, which is the first time they have stated so since they stopped accepting them in late 2008.

WebMoney is just a pain in the ass to import, and the conversion rate is sucking. It was nice because you only had to add it to your account every 3 months or so, and unlike a credit card, if you ran out of money and billing failed, your account simply deactivated, instead of you getting a paper bill and your account being banned until you paid it in person, which was impossible for most importers. Now with Crysta, all accounts globally are on the same sort of system. As pointed out though, it causes a lot of people to look at just how much they are spending on the game.

It's not just that you are screwed if you don't live in Europe, North America, or Japan. It's that you are screwed if you move to another of those regions from one of the others, since they're making it hard to use payment methods outside of the region of your residence, and if your account is now outside of your residence you may not be able to get access to the accepted methods. Locking out foreign credit cards is a pain.

[Michelob]

While it is more annoying than having it automatically deduced, it would take about 5 minutes to add crysta to 3 accounts per month if you set up your paypal account. People causing a shitstorm over losing 5 minutes of your life per month.

My qualm with that is the fact that we have to overpay them in set quantities rather than give them the exact amount for service. Why the hell should they make interest on my money when they haven't earned it yet? Let alone the fact that Crysta expires after two years and what happens if I get banned or quit for two+ years? It's non-refundable. Doing that for one character sounds like a horrible idea, let alone three. If they want to hold onto my money without having earned it yet then they should be paying ME interest on it. Yes, I realize we are talking pennies per month (roughly 5 dollars per year for me) but it's the principle.

If they want to openly tell me that their cost for service is going up then I'm fine with that, but making interest on other people's money without labeling it as such is a fucking scam.

[Cail]

I'm probably gonna deactivate my 2nd acct and do the crysta thing for 1 month, to see if it changes...after that, if it hasnt changed, probably time for me to echo the sentiments of a lot of people on here and quit finally

[ronin sparthos]

Only SE could lose accounts from making the payment system too complicated and unfriendly to customers.

You'd think this is the process they fucking perfect over all.

[ronin sparthos]

Only SE could lose accounts from making the payment system too complicated and unfriendly to customers.

You'd think this is the process they fucking perfect over all.

[Appie]

Have fun spending it before your two year mark when it expires...lol.

Besides Shenrien obviously joking I believe reading around 14 release that Crysta caps at 100 dollars, can't have more than that on the account at any given time.

[Khajit]

At least a few people in my country(small country) are just gonna let their account expire until the backlash finally convinces SE to fix things. It's already a mix& match fight just to be able to get the proper address in POL due to them being anal about capitalization while the fields we have to input don't match what we actually have to fill them in with. It's already barely worth attempting to fix CC info when shit goes down due to the aggravation and now i may have to relive that shit every month? Fuck that.

[Ksandra]

Besides Shenrien obviously joking I believe reading around 14 release that Crysta caps at 100 dollars, can't have more than that on the account at any given time.

I don't think that's true, I think that's the max you can buy per transaction, but I never saw anything anywhere that says you can't keep doing that transaction over and over again. You could always be right though, but I don't see that anywhere.

[Draylo]

I don't get how people are sayin the only way is through click and buy... I didn't use that, like I said earlier I used ultimatepay which allows paypal. I don't use click and buy and I am able to use that paypal account with my card to pay for the game. Don't have to buy crysta, don't have to go through click and buy.

If you don't see the issues, you obviously haven't actually read any of the threads.

The main issue that people don't like, is that you have to manually tell it to buy enough crysta every month, instead of it being automatic. Yes, you can buy a bunch up front, and not have to do it every month, but that's unacceptable to people on a tight budget, and it leaves a lot of un-refundable crysta sitting in an account, in the event that you don't play for as long as you have crysta for.

Many people enjoy the convenience of just being able to provide a CC number and have their fees charged, without having to manually force money to go somewhere every month. Added rage over not being able to purchase crysta in the same denominations that you need to pay for your fees every month, combined with the apparent evidence that the JP players CAN do this (as well as just charge a card directly), and you start to get people pissed off enough to actually say "fuck it".

If I don't quit due to lack of motivation to deal with setting it all up and having to remember to pay every month, I'd probably go the route you did. PayPal the Crysta and deal with it. But I can totally understand why others are more than a little bent out of shape over this.

I did read the thread... I don't buy crysta and the paypal through ultimate w/e doesn't use crysta to pay for the game.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm not sure how much backlash there will actually be on the balance sheets at first, and all they have to do is let accounts lapse once to lose most super-casual players forever.

Like, half of us are pre-loading 3-4 months of payments onto our Crysta Accounts when we set this up. Now, the cost of providing an MMO service (or any of the services you can pay for with Crysta) is almost independent of the number of subscribers, so that's probably counted as straight income for SE instead of deducted on a month-by-month basis from our accounts. Err... I don't know if I'm putting this right, but bottom line is that it could look like August/September are hugely successful months even if the subscription rates drop due to people overpaying because they're buying multiple months.

[Septimus]

To anyone that's just like "Deal with it": Fuck you. There is no reason we should have to fucking deal with this retarded shit.

And if you guys think that having to buy crysta every 30 days is bad, imagine having to do it 3 times, on 3 fucking accounts, and over-paying 3 times. That's not fucking happening.

Also, with school/college starting back up for everyone (that's still in school,) that's a pretty big fucking demotivator to stop playing. I'm already probably only going to be playing on weekends, and maybe some weekdays when classes start back up, possibly even less than that. This just pushes me to cancel my accounts and not bother with this shit.

I am not saying "Deal with it", it is never good to make people have to fight to give you money. But as someone who has been in a perpetual fist-fight with Square to take my money for several years now since my bank does not have 3D Secure cards, I can tell you that the Crysta system is not as bad as this thread would lead you to believe. Once you get your PayPal account verified, it is a very quick process to add in Crysta- you can then go to the account management system and add in $10 then $5 in Cryasta to minimize the overpayment.

Yes, it would be better if you could chose the exact amount of Crysta (to the cent) that could be automatically paid every month. It would be much, much better. But as someone who on several occasions has had to sit on a non-toll-free phone support line in excess of an hour for the privilege of giving Square money, it could be so much worse.

[shepardG]

draylo i'm pretty sure your wrong.

[Draylo]

draylo i'm pretty sure your wrong.

because? I just transferred all my accounts over to this and there was 0 mention of crysta.