Hate Crime or Not?

[solanis]

tell me more about how minorities aren't oppressed, white cisgendered man

[Uzor]

That doesn't matter. Exactly how am I comparing the plight of a black woman and a jock when I'm suggesting a theoretical case where a kid puts a gun to the head of his bully, Larry King - a straight white male - and pulled the trigger twice, is any less of a murder? Shouldn't both be considered hate crimes in that case since hate was a basis for both?

It has nothing to do with the plight or strife through life that minorities feel. It is purely about treating them equal, even in the court of law.

Your argument that the plight of a black women is harder than the plight of a white jock, and should therefor be a justified ground for a higher punishment for a crime, is putting an inherited higher value on the life of a black woman in the court of law, which in itself is racism towards the white jock and therefor not equality.

[hey]

nerds, emos, goths, geeks, jocks, and bullies aren't a systematically oppressed and marginalized class. attempting a comparison between the plight of, say, a black woman and a jock is... distasteful, to say the least.

Obviously never been to a public high school.

[solanis]

That doesn't matter. Exactly how am I comparing the plight of a black woman and a jock when I'm suggesting a theoretical case where a kid puts a gun to the head of his bully, Larry King - a straight white male - and pulled the trigger twice, is any less of a murder? Shouldn't both be considered hate crimes in that case since hate was a basis for both?

It has nothing to do with the plight or strife through life that minorities feel. It is purely about treating them equal, even in the court of law.

the kid isn't killing the bully because he feels he has the right to execute him based on a systematic oppression in society, it's not comparable. at all. and it's offensive to suggest it is. however, interestingly, under US law the kid would definitely be given a break because of mental duress. ironic, eh? the law already differentiates in favor of the bullied kid. why shouldn't it differentiate for the gay kid who gets shot?

[Uzor]

It shouldn't differentiate them at all, because in both situations a life is lost because of a murder. Telling the parents of the bully that the killer get a shorter sentence because he bullied the kids is unfair towards the parents, who most likely love their kid just as much as the parents of the gay kid, and part of the sentencing process is giving the friends and family of the victim a sense of justice, no? your words; not mine. If you want you can make the kid emo instead of gay. I would dare say that just as many kids get killed because they're socially different as there are kids that get killed because they're gay. Is it any less of a hate crime?

[Kashka]

I was under the impression hate crimes have longer sentences because the intent, the reason why they murdered in the first place (and the thing that differentiates between degrees of murder/self defense etc), doesn't go away and is irrational. This in itself makes it far more difficult to reinstate the person into society, and the longer and harsher sentencing reflects that. Murder your wife for cheating on you, and you're out of cheating wives. There are plenty other (insert category) people to kill though.

[solanis]

It shouldn't differentiate them at all, because in both situations a life is lost because of a murder. Telling the parents of the bully that the killer get a shorter sentence because he bullied the kids is unfair towards the parents, who most likely love their kid just as much as the parents of the gay kid, and part of the sentencing process is giving the friends and family of the victim a sense of justice, no? your words; not mine.

that's how the law works. like I said before, it's funny to me that people only start caring about how the law processes intent when it has to do with minorities. it's also funny that the people complaining are usually white straight men.

[Uzor]

That's a good point Kashka, and one I hadn't considered.

And I'm not a white straight man; I'm a white bisexual man. And I care in both situations, both towards minorities and majorities, but minority cases usually get more attention from the media and are therefor easier to argue about.

[Day]

If punishment for murder isn't enough within itself then we should increase the punishment. Not make distinctions based on the victim. This fully proves my theory that minorities don't want to be equal they want special treatment.

[Restrat]

our justice system isn't supposed to be doing whats fair to peoples families, to give them a sence of justice. It punishes criminals in an attempt to prevent future crimes.

[solanis]

If punishment for murder isn't enough within itself then we should increase the punishment. Not make distinctions based on the victim. This fully proves my theory that minorities don't want to be equal they want special treatment.

do you feel oppressed by the black jewish transgendered homosexual day

[Uzor]

our justice system isn't supposed to be doing whats fair to peoples families, to give them a sence of justice. It punishes criminals in an attempt to prevent future crimes.

If that was true you wouldn't have death sentence still.

[Restrat]

i'm sure advocates of the death sentence feel that it frightens people out of committing crimes

[hey]

our justice system isn't supposed to be doing whats fair to peoples families, to give them a sence of justice.

think the word you are looking for is revenge.

[Uzor]

The problem with that is that there's no studies that support their opinion.

[Day]

do you feel oppressed by the black jewish transgendered homosexual day

I don't know any black jewish transgendered homos.

[archibaldcrane]

I just don't feel "hate crime" laws are a deterrent beyond the initial punishment.

When you're going so far as to thought-police a 14-year old child, it gets even more absurd. Kids think all kinds of stupid shit, that's what makes them kids.

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[solanis]

I just don't feel "hate crime" laws are a deterrent beyond the initial punishment.

When you're going so far as to thought-police a 14-year old child, it gets even more absurd. Kids think all kinds of stupid shit, that's what makes them kids.

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hardly a child at 14, and certainly less of a child if they're executing people. kids think stupid shit, that doesn't give them a free pass to execute people based on those stupid beliefs.

[Day]

Because he's advocating giving him a free pass?

[Cream Soda]

Crime is a crime. Hate crimes are retarded.

If I kill you because you're black or I kill you because you made me mad, I still killed you.