Riots in London

***Shinzon*** · 2011-08-08 23:34

Originally Posted by Mots

I dunno about you but if a criminal got into my house with the intent to do me harm and I had a knife, his life would be forfeit. It really isn't that difficult ruin someones day if you have a knife unless you are completely inept/uncoordinated and drop the fucking thing.

Are you trained in hand-to-hand combat? You Box proficiently? In great physical shape? Otherwise I'm sure a big dude can wrestle that knife from your hands. Unless you're fucking steven segal you are unlikely to possess the skills necessary to do any close quarter fighting safely as an average person.

**Lestat** · 2011-08-08 23:39

Originally Posted by Mots

I dunno about you but if a criminal got into my house with the intent to do me harm and I had a knife, his life would be forfeit. It really isn't that difficult ruin someones day if you have a knife unless you are completely inept/uncoordinated and drop the fucking thing.

Its sad that you would compare your situation with all the situations for everybody else....everywhere.

People who normally never held a knife in defense or offense are easy for those experienced with such matters, even so person your facing may have a gun and just shoot you instead. Has anyone here ever used a knife in self defense? Trained? Stabbed anyone? If so please explain how easy it is to stab someone ready to kill you or a tleast knock you out.

Lets add the fear factor, i can honestly assume most people would not know how to handle there fear and instead become paralyzed, making said knife useless.

**Galkaeater** · 2011-08-08 23:46

why the fuck are we talking about individal home invasions

**Correction** · 2011-08-08 23:46

Arming the general population strikes me as a hasty band-aid with no guarantee of success, since it's so incompatible with a fairly long tradition of getting by without them. Behold the Turkish example, they simply outnumbered the troublemakers outside with a peaceful counter-presence and so far it seems to be an effective tactic. That's pride in your community. That's organizing better than the lawless. If only the police could learn from that.

**Lestat** · 2011-08-08 23:48

Originally Posted by Galkaeater

why the fuck are we talking about individal home invasions

Just where the conversation led.

If everyone was organized like the Turkish then yes nothing else would be needed.

But that is not the case.

***Shinzon*** · 2011-08-08 23:50

Originally Posted by Correction

Arming the general population strikes me as a hasty band-aid with no guarantee of success, since it's so incompatible with a fairly long tradition of getting by without them. Behold the Turkish example, they simply outnumbered the troublemakers outside with a peaceful counter-presence and so far it seems to be an effective tactic. That's pride in your community. That's organizing better than the lawless. If only the police could learn from that.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to imply it was a good idea when I first brought it up a couple of pages ago, I just said I hoped it would happen because the situation just kept getting worse. There are many ways to prevent what's going on and that turkish community is a great example. The problem is they are likely to get hurt and over run as the situation gets worse and people get more angry. You just hope it ends before that.

**Drex** · 2011-08-09 00:10

Originally Posted by Kiarax

Yeah, I can wave a knife at someone who breaks in to my home and scare him off too. I'd much rather test my fate with someone coming in to my home without a gun than with one. Saying guns save more innocent lives than they take is a total crock of shit, you can likely say the same thing about any weapon used for defence. Doesn't mean they're a good idea.

The point is that less armed people are going to come into your home if you're likely to have a gun. Areas with gun restriction laws have higher gun-related crime rates on a neighborhood, city, county, and state level. It's only on the international level that the numbers change, and that's most likely cultural differences than anything else. It doesn't matter if they have a gun or not: if they know you are likely to have a gun, you are safer. If they know you are unarmed, they are more likely to come after you.

It's not at all a total crock of shit. If you have a gun and want to commit a crime, you go where your victims will not be armed to commit your crimes.

**6souls** · 2011-08-09 00:12

**miokomioko** · 2011-08-09 00:39

Excuse me if I missed this on one of these pages somewhere.

**Wintermute** · 2011-08-09 00:43

Interested in seeing how many of these places that have been hit will look a few months from now.

I doubt many small-business owners will have the funds to re-build and re-open let alone the desire to do so given how their neighbours and customers have been acting, and most multi-national businesses will likely see it as too big a financial risk to re-open any storefronts at all.
Mind you, the Government will probably buckle and throw stimulus money or what-have-you at the problem to re-build so these arseholes can have nice things they don't deserve.

Amazed that some of these buildings have survived all sorts of things including getting bombed by the Germans during WWII but they get trashed by a pack of stupid youth cunts.

**kuronosan** · 2011-08-09 01:27

Originally Posted by Drex

Giving everyone a gun creates less victims, therefore less crime and less criminals.

That is some pretty terrible logic.

**Cesaria** · 2011-08-09 01:30

Originally Posted by Lestat

When idiot kids see no consequences to a situation such as this then all hell will break loose.

No Consequences= mayhem

Consequences= less mayhem

Yep - people are horrified there are kids as young as 7 out and about - anyone who works with kids these days could pretty much have seen it coming.

Have had some howlers though - the police appealling to parents to call their kids up on their mobiles, check what they're doing and if they were rioting - to get them to come home - can just imagine how THAT conversation panned out! "Chavney wot you doin'... oh, you're rioting, well you get back 'ere now before Corrie starts right?"

Had some copy-cat rioting in my city overnight - the police statement is great this morning - "so if you wake up and find your car's been burnt out - give us a ring so we can give you a crime number."

**Elvis** · 2011-08-09 01:35

Originally Posted by miokomioko

Excuse me if I missed this on one of these pages somewhere.

damn.. scumbags

**Kumbai** · 2011-08-09 01:54

I just got home from vacation yesterday... guess I wont be going out for a few days >_>;

**Kerberoz** · 2011-08-09 02:35

There's only one solution:

**6souls** · 2011-08-09 02:37

Originally Posted by Kerberoz

There's only one solution:

Been reminded off that movie all day. the riot scene at the end is very much like what has happened over the day.

**6souls** · 2011-08-09 03:07

**MoogleAura** · 2011-08-09 03:12

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248

BBC is now reporting this morning that similar scenes have been reported in Birmingham, Norwich, Bristol, Leeds, Manchester & Liverpool but nowhere near as severe as in London.

David Cameron will chair the government's emergency committee Cobra to discuss the riots and will also meet Home Secretary Theresa May and Metropolitan Police Acting Commissioner Tim Godwin

Cobra? Reaaaaally? :/

**Dalek** · 2011-08-09 04:03

Originally Posted by Drex

Guns save more innocent lives than they take. You don't even have to fire a gun to scare off a would-be criminal. It's rare for an innocent person to become a criminal just because they now have a gun. But unlawful people who lose their gun will still commit crimes.

Giving everyone a gun creates less victims, therefore less crime and less criminals.

Come again? The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, by a pretty large margin I might add.

One thing that most people don't grasp is that a HUGE chunk of these people really don't own much of anything. If they are poor and can't find a job, the government pays their rent. That's a big reason why they could give a shit what gets destroyed. In the one video the guy is totally nonchalant about his home burning... why would he care? It's not really his place. Govvy will pay for a new one for him. As for a job, well, he's out of luck. That's a big part of why these people are doing this... they really don't have much to lose.

Also the people saying shoot them dead blah blah blah the culture is different than the US. Even if you're a skid, the cops don't just sprinkle some crack on you and gtfo of there. The cops really don't wanna kill anybody, and usually they don't need to because of how hard it is for criminals to get guns. Most cops don't even carry guns, that's how tight the controls are in England. And unlike the US, the cops don't run around like they're rambo on a dick-waving power trip.

Another thing is how densely packed everything is. 60 million people(or w/e) might not seem like much compared to the US's 300 million, but when you realize they're crammed on an island like manhattan as if they were a bunch of sardines then populist uprisings are a lot easier to spark at a moment's notice. Oh, and the fact that most people don't have jobs to go to means they're very available to participate in this type of ridiculousness.

In England, human life > property
In America, property > human life

Just ask your local republican.

Ollieyk · 2011-08-09 04:52

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