Riots in London

[ronin sparthos]

itt a bunch of dudes who jerk off to Death Wish 3 nightly

THEY KILLED THE GIGGLER MAN.

Well of course, people cannot depend on the police to protect them, how else are they going to protect there families and homes? With a baseball bat?

The reason this riot is on this scale and has continued this long is because they know that no one can do shit against so many dipshits. Not all neighborhoods and or towns can bring up enough people to rally protection for their area.

And so the lesson police will learn from this riot is to be much quicker on the response, invest in rubber bullets among other non-lethal tools, zero tolerance policies and finally to train more cops in riot control.

The answer isn't to arm every citizen because the average schmuck can't handle themselves nevermind a semi-automatic weapon capable of easily ending another persons life.

[Tempyst]

THEY KILLED THE GIGGLER MAN.

I'm going to go get some ice cream

[Tempyst]

ok that's a weird coincidence I wasn't aware of, apparently even though death wish 3 was set in new york it was primarily filmed in...

London

Maybe this is just a big viral ad campaign for a reboot of the Death Wish series

[ronin sparthos]

If only Bronson were alive, he'd have this all taken care of by now.

[Niiro]

Yes, if only there were more guns around the rioters would have them too and we'd have good 'ol time watching the bodies pile up.

[Tempyst]

If only Bronson were alive

What makes you think he isn't and this isn't his calling to return from hiding

[ronin sparthos]

What makes you think he isn't and this isn't his calling to return from hiding

After Death Wish V, anything is possible.

[Lestat]

And so the lesson police will learn from this riot is to be much quicker on the response, invest in rubber bullets among other non-lethal tools, zero tolerance policies and finally to train more cops in riot control.

Lol, this will not happen, why you ask? Because it did not happen after the dozen riots that has happened in the past 20 years.

So while the police are taking notes, homes are being broken into and lives are being ruined.

[*Shinzon*]

I'm sure any home owner who wants sum home defense wouldn't mind a higher capacity, 8 round, pump action. Reduce restrictions to make them legal and I'm sure you'll see a nice boom in sales. The English culture is what shapes how the police respond and I find it unlikely they'll revamp police culture even after these riots. Maybe we can get some brits to chime in and further elaborate on that issue.

I mean between the videos and what Correction has posted about them being scared to harm a civilian, without a military presence these things are going to carry on for awhile.

[ronin sparthos]

Lol, this will not happen, why you ask? Because it did not happen after the dozen riots that has happened in the past 20 years.

So while the police are taking notes, homes are being broken into and lives are being ruined.

Even if that may be the case, arming your citizens to the teeth only makes it harder for police to diffuse a dangerous scenario like a riot. When both sides are blasting away, who do you think has more to lose? The rioter or the homeowner with kids, property and/or a career? How would the police react to a shootout?

It's a bloodbath waiting to happen and all it does is encourage rioters to do even more damage, take more lives and raise more hell as the stakes are higher. While situations like this are extremely unfortunate, the reactionary "arm everyone!" only leads to even more dangerous situations.

[Correction]

Thats what i'm waiting for......... how many people own guns in england? I'm waiting for a group of kids to try and break into the wrong persons house.

Guns are extremely uncommon in the United Kingdom. Even the cops don't carry them, they keep them in lockers and there are all kinds of restrictions before said lockers can be opened. My understanding is limited to the reports I've read over the last 9-ish hours but London cops seem to operate under more use of force restrictions than almost any police force I've ever seen.

[Fairy-Killer]

True "American" way of thinking incoming. First thing I would do is sit outside with a shotgun in my lap and make sure no one did anything to my home. Hell, the thing doesn't even have to be loaded. Do you really think these people that are rioting are brave enough to rush a guy with a gun? More than likely they're pretty cowardly. I mean think about it, the only reason they're doing this is because they can get away with it without a scratch. If they know a guy has a gun, they're going to avoid him. Also, fuck these people. Worthless people should get shitty treatment. Even if that means a bullet... More like, "Fuck yeah, Texas."

[drwaffles]

I'm sure any home owner who wants sum home defense wouldn't mind a higher capacity, 8 round, pump action. Reduce restrictions to make them legal and I'm sure you'll see a nice boom in sales. The English culture is what shapes how the police respond and I find it unlikely they'll revamp police culture even after these riots. Maybe we can get some brits to chime in and further elaborate on that issue.

I mean between the videos and what Correction has posted about them being scared to harm a civilian, without a military presence these things are going to carry on for awhile.

I'm sure the vast majority of people in Britain would rather see the issue of unsatisfactory police response in these situations discussed and addressed than see everyone arm themselves with weapons that can easily take the life of another human being in a rush of paranoid hysteria. What part of that is hard to understand?

Jesus Christ on a bike, am I the only person who's absolutely dumbfounded by the "American mindset" regarding firearms?

[Lestat]

Even if that may be the case, arming your citizens to the teeth only makes it harder for police to diffuse a dangerous scenario like a riot. When both sides are blasting away, who do you think has more to lose? The rioter or the homeowner with kids, property and/or a career? How would the police react to a shootout?

It's a bloodbath waiting to happen and all it does is encourage rioters to do even more damage, take more lives and raise more hell as the stakes are higher. While situations like this are extremely unfortunate, the reactionary "arm everyone!" only leads to even more dangerous situations.

You're thinking of a worst case scenario, this would've been diffused earlier if the police would grow some balls, hell use tasers.

I'm not suggesting that everyone go hardcore......Only to loosen the gun laws a little to allow a homeowner to own a weapon inside his/her home. Without it, rioters who are going to take advantage of this situation are going to go all out (as seen already) and everybody else not part of it should just drop their pants and raise there ass in the air....

This riot is already destroying lives, people have a right to defend themselves.

How will the police react? You mean if/when will the police react?

[Draggy]

Loosening gun laws in the UK is never going to happen. And what Drwaffles said is pretty much correct

[Fairy-Killer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzOBlPKZjxE

I just keep thinking of this...

[Lestat]

And this is the result.

[drwaffles]

You're thinking of a worst case scenario, this would've been diffused earlier if the police would grow some balls, hell use tasers.

I'm not suggesting that everyone go hardcore......Only to loosen the gun laws a little to allow a homeowner to own a weapon inside his/her home. Without it, rioters who are going to take advantage of this situation are going to go all out (as seen already) and everybody else not part of it should just drop their pants and raise there ass in the air....

This riot is already destroying lives, people have a right to defend themselves.

How will the police react? You mean if/when will the police react?

Since you're having difficulty comprehending, I'll say it again:

The focus should be on improving police response so that this kind of situation can be handled more effectively in the future. In my mind, the potential for this kind of situation to arise and subsequently be learned from is a small price to pay for living in a country where school shootings, domestic shootings, gunman rampages and accidental deaths of children caused by firearms kept in the home are far less common than they are in the US.

[Lestat]

Since you're having difficulty comprehending, I'll say it again:

The focus should be on improving police response so that this kind of situation can be handled more effectively in the future. In my mind, the potential for this kind of situation to arise and subsequently be learned from is a small price to pay for living in a country where school shootings, domestic shootings, gunman rampages and accidental deaths of children caused by firearms kept in the home are far less common than they are in the US.

You must live near a police station then? How fast do you think a policeman will get to you before the guy invading your home shoots you?

That is because the country you live and the country i live are on a different scale. It is not that common, its only seems that way because of the bullshit news organizations here. It also seems like more when you consider population,over 300 million people live in the U.S., and around 65 million people live in the UK. Don't believe everything you see on T.V..


Edit: People unable to defend themselves are Sheep to the wolves.

[Kiarax]

You must live near a police station then? How fast do you think a policeman will get to you before the guy invading your home shoots you?

That is because the country you live and the country i live are on a different scale. It is not that common, its only seems that way because of the bullshit news organizations here. It also seems like more when you consider population,over 300 million people live in the U.S., and around 65 million people live in the UK. Don't believe everything you see on T.V..


Edit: People unable to defend themselves are Sheep to the wolves.

People who break in to homes here do not typically have guns. There is absolutely no reason you can't defend yourself in your home here, you just don't shoot somebody to do so. What makes you think a lack of guns means home intruders have free reign?