Facebook taken down on Nov. 5th?

[hey]

Yes, by the definition of "anonymous" that is the correct assumption. But this is not the case anymore because they've done enough high-profile attacks, as to be recognized as a "unified" group. When it started out then it could very well have been different people all using the same logo, but by using the logo they've united into a Noun called "anonymous" as opposed to the Adjective "anonymous". It is very important to recognize this difference.

By your logic I could say I'm having a tea-party rally next week and then be upset when I get a bunch of misinformed rednecks complaining about government, instead of people who like tea and crumpets. Just because the organization was aptly named doesn't mean that group stays true to the definition of that name.

Except they aren't one group. They are numerous groups all using the same name.

but by using the logo they've united into a Noun called "anonymous" as opposed to the Adjective "anonymous".

That is what they were from the start?


Anonymous is used to refer to any person/group that chooses to be part of Anonymous. However just because they are all part of the "group" Anonymous does not mean they have anything to do with each other. Just like every human is part of the human species. We are all part of one "group", but beyond that, most of have very little in common with most others, and zero interaction.

[Ksandra]

the way I see it though, the group that does do the high profile shit (the egypt and wikileaks type stuff) are the ones that actually have any solid knowledge in wtf they're doing. This group sending a message to facebook would probably only be able to take it down for all of 10 minutes.


If it's even more than like 1 person that is.

[edit] to go further. Anyone can call themself anon, yes. But if they do shit like this, I doubt they'll get any other anons to help out/back them up.

As said via the twitter in Eanae's link, anon uses facebook for a lot of their shit. Whoever made the video isn't going to be getting very much help from other anons.

[Pirian]

Except they aren't one group. They are numerous groups all using the same name.

That is what they were from the start?


Anonymous is used to refer to any person/group that chooses to be part of Anonymous. However just because they are all part of the "group" Anonymous does not mean they have anything to do with each other. Just like every human is part of the human species. We are all part of one "group", but beyond that, most of have very little in common with most others, and zero interaction.

It doesn't matter what you consider them to actually be. What matters is what the majority of people perceive them to be, and from if the media lumps them all together then that is how they will be perceived, and that is what they will become, and that is what they have become.

As with my tea-party example - they've branded themselves and they now "own" that title. You can get upset about them stealing the term away from what it use to mean and litigate it all you would like, but they've created the new definition and the consequence is that anyone can take up the mantle and legitimately be called "Anonymous", and if the public perceives them as such then they are as such.

[hey]

are the ones that actually have any solid knowledge in wtf they're doing. This group sending a message to facebook would probably only be able to take it down for all of 10 minutes.

You realize the only knowledge required to ddos a site is to run a program, copypaste the IP address, and hit start, yes? Anyone can do it.

[edit] to go further. Anyone can call themself anon, yes. But if they do shit like this, I doubt they'll get any other anons to help out/back them up.

There are tons of people who will do these things just for the luls, regardless of whether they support them or not.

It doesn't matter what you consider them to actually be. What matters is what the majority of people perceive them to be, and from if the media lumps them all together then that is how they will be perceived, and that is what they will become, and that is what they have become.

The masses are always right? Does that mean that the world used to be flat? But not anymore, since people stopped believing that, amirite? How they are perceived does not change what they actually are. They are NOT a single group, even if most people are too ignorant to understand that. Anonymous is a group of groups, which have little/nothing to do with each other other than their name.

[guartz]

and nothing of valu....*yawn*

[Ksandra]

You realize the only knowledge required to ddos a site is to run a program, copypaste the IP address, and hit start, yes? Anyone can do it.

which is why I said all of ten minutes. This won't have any lasting effects at all.

[Pirian]

The masses are always right? Does that mean that the world used to be flat? But not anymore, since people stopped believing that, amirite? How they are perceived does not change what they actually are. They are NOT a single group, even if most people are too ignorant to understand that. Anonymous is a group of groups, which have little/nothing to do with each other other than their name.

You are talking about apples and oranges here, but yes the perceived truth is truth until rebuked. It doesn't actually matter if it's different until it matters. No, when people thought the world was flat then the world was not actually flat, but the implications were that people did not journey out as far because of it. Same concept. It seems you don't quite like that, and I am sorry.

[hey]

which is why I said all of ten minutes. This won't have any lasting effects at all.

Well 10 minutes seems short, but no, it won't have any lasting affect.

[hey]

You are talking about apples and oranges here, but yes the perceived truth is truth until rebuked. It doesn't actually matter if it's different until it matters. It seems you don't quite like that, and I am sorry.

We are arguing about what anonymous actually is. It matters now, and you are wrong.

No, when people thought the world was flat then the world was not actually flat, but the implications were that people did not journey out as far because of it. Same concept.

So what you are saying is that anonymous is not actually one single unified group, and the implication is that you are going to argue false information on internet forums, because "it doesn't matter if i'm wrong"?

[Xno Kappa]

ITT: People taking 4chan seriously.

[SephYuyX]

HOLY SHIT THEY TRICKED EVERYONE
FACEBOOK IS DOWN RIGHT NOW
SWEET BABY JESUS

[Not Kuno]

As probably the only person in the universe without a facebawk or any other social networking site. It doesn't bother me one bit. =D

[Insanecyclone]

As probably the only person in the universe without a facebawk or any other social networking site. It doesn't bother me one bit. =D

Not alone bro. Staying away for long as I can from social sites. Too many idiots on it, example: http://youropenbook.org/?q=such+a+nerd&gender=any

[thetruepandagod]

So on this topic, is Facebook down for anybody else? I'd check myself, but downrightnow seems to be down right now.

down for me too, slightly annoying

[Xno Kappa]

As probably the only person in the universe without a facebawk or any other social networking site.

Nah, there's a few of us bro.

[Pirian]

We are arguing about what anonymous actually is. It matters now, and you are wrong.

So what you are saying is that anonymous is not actually one single unified group, and the implication is that you are going to argue false information on internet forums, because "it doesn't matter if i'm wrong"?

You've missed the boat entirely. Don't worry though, at least you won't float off the edge of the world.


edit: Ok, I'll try and explain it once more, but this is the last time and then you're going to just have to reread my post until it sinks in

I was never arguing about what "anonymous" actually is; I am, in fact, arguing that how it is perceived by the majority is what matters. Is what matters. Is what matters. Is what matters. How it is perceived by the majority is what matters. I only diverged from this slightly in order to try and show you from a different angle, but the implication was exactly the same. How the anonymous group is perceived by the public is what matters. If this was brought up on a major news channel with the Anonymous logo, then it is a fair assumption to say that the majority has lumped it in with the rest of the group. It doesn't matter that they are all different groups under the Anonymous logo, the public sees it as a single entity. How the anonymous group is perceived by the public is what matters. If the public is able to start differentiating the different groups then it will matter that they are different groups. That has not happened, therefore it is treated as one group. That is not to say that in the future it won't happen, but that is currently not the situation.

[thetruepandagod]

How do people not have a facebook or other social thing? Especially on an ff/wow forum? Only reason i even got facebook and msn originally was so that my phone bill would stop exploding calling people in finland/australia/UK every day for HNMs, and if i didn't already have it for that reason i have had 3 classes so far in college that require you have a facebook so that you can work in groups with others.

Not alone bro. Staying away for long as I can from social sites. Too many idiots on it, example: http://youropenbook.org/?q=such+a+nerd&gender=any

And really i am sure that you are aware that there are only idiots on your fb if you are friends with them/add them, so that's on you for being friends with retards.

As probably the only person in the universe without a facebawk or any other social networking site. It doesn't bother me one bit. =D

It really is astounding that you don't have one, not that it doesn't bother you as who gives a shit about fb really, but you didn't even know who casey anthony was as of what a week ago? The sheer ignorance of social media you have is pretty amazing. I'm not saying it's important to know this shit but it would have been an instant fail almost in some of my classes.

[Dimmauk]

So on this topic, is Facebook down for anybody else? I'd check myself, but downrightnow seems to be down right now.

You can login, but it takes a shit after that.

[SephYuyX]

Ive a FB, but I had no idea who casey anthony was until the day of the final trial or whatever.
I just ignore stupid shit.

[Pirian]

My facebook is working fine