Republican Presidental Debate Iowa

[Plow]

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvo...hp?cs_id=V3064

I'll let you figure out what HJR 64 was.


hint: It was the authorization to go into Afghanistan, or, literally, anywhere, with military force in response to 9/11.

[Demosthenes11]

deregulation of business is the reason for the wars, you can't have both ways.

please elaborate.

And RP has been consistent with going to Afghanistan. He was not opposed to initial action.

[Plow]

but but but

He's only voted the exact same way on these issues since the dawn of the dinosaurs, but he must not mean it and is just saying this shit to get votes even though it makes him very unpopular with the republican powers-that-be. Sure, that seems plausible.

Except he didn't vote that way when everybody was pissed off at the brown people and he would have lost campaign contributions had he "stuck to his beliefs."

[Demosthenes11]

but but but



Except he didn't vote that way when everybody was pissed off at the brown people and he would have lost campaign contributions had he "stuck to his beliefs."

his beliefs are only to go to war when you are attacked. just because he thought we shared part of the blame does not mean he didnt believe we should go. I would say im in the same boat.

[Plow]

The authorization granted the President the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups.

Sorry, that's not go to war when attacked, that's send in whatever military force you want anywhere you think people might have had anything to do with a non-state actor that independently attacked you.

When, pray tell, did Afghanistan attack us?

Let me guess, they supplied the box cutters?

[Atreides]

Well this talk about RP is all well and good but regardless of his chances in the general election, he still won't get the nomination. There's no way he can make it past the money wall of the GOP primary process... that's the problem with grassroots support vs. corporate backers who have already started to back Romney (and are now starting to run to Perry)

[Demosthenes11]

"how dare republicans not somewhat compromise on their beliefs during extreme times" - everyone 2 weeks ago

[Demosthenes11]

this is exactly the bullshit that causes republicans to say they wouldnt vote for a tax increase under any reason. because fucks like plow pull shit like this

[Plow]

Paul had the most successful fund raising for a lot of the 07-08 election cycle, money has nothing to do with why people with even the slightest clue would never consider voting for him.

[Plow]

this is exactly the bullshit that causes republicans to say they wouldnt vote for a tax increase under any reason. because fucks like plow pull shit like this

Afghanistan is bad, we should get out, have no business being there, etc. etc.

Except when saying that reflects poorly on a candidate I like.

[Demosthenes11]

Afghanistan is bad, we should get out, have no business being there, etc. etc.

Except when saying that reflects poorly on a candidate I like.

I'm speechless that you don't understand the context this is spoken in (read: not 2002)

[Plow]

So, just to make sure we've got the proper position here, the current "ok" stance on Afghanistan is...

It was perfectly ok to go after bin Ladin there (even though he wasn't there), killing civilians was perfectly fine when we were mad at all the brown people, and destroying a country's infrastructure and ousting its government over something it didn't do was totally cool.

And, now that we've spent all our rage, it's our duty and responsibility to gtfo and tell them to go fuck themselves when it comes to that whole "uh, yeah, you destroyed our country and left us in chaos" thing.

That it? Or was Iraq ok too, seeing how the guy we went after was at least actually there that time?

[Demosthenes11]

im not sure there are fields large enough for all your straw men

[Plow]

So Afghanistan wasn't ok? RP should have voted against it but didn't?

Or we have a responsibility to clean up the mess after a complete and total fuckup of a war?

[Correction]

Guys guys you're arguing with a poster who responds to a straight yes or no question with the word "None."

Stop it lol

[Plow]

By which he means "none of you have made a valid point to portray RP in a positive light, go back to semantics and arguing about arguing instead of actually trying to debate, because it's not working."

[Plow]

What's sad is that you guys seem to think people don't realize that 10 minutes before I pointed out that he had done it, if someone had asked you if Ron Paul would have voted yes on a resolution to allow the president

the authority to use all "necessary and appropriate force" against those whom he determined "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups.

You would have said "nope, and that's why I'm ok with him."

[Talint]

The American Civil War was unnecessary.

And that's why I'd rather vote for a used sneaker than Ron Paul.

[RKenshin]

Despite disagreement with much of Ron Paul's arguments and philosophies, he's earned my respect if nothing else for being the only candidate in the GOP (or heck, even in politics right now) that is running on what he sincerely believes to be what is best for the country and not just what will get him the most votes, or support among a niche population, or support from his party.

From what I've seen of him he hardly ever flip flops (I've seen so much flip flopping of Mitt Romney it's ridiculous), he isn't afraid to speak to what he believes in despite being in strong opposition in his party (aka, end the war mongering), and he doesn't campaign on anything other than the real, big issues at hand here (where many GOP still spend so much time/effort on abortion, marriage, etc).

It's at the very least refreshing, and I'd much rather all the candidates ran on what they actually believe in than a fake promise of what people want to hear. Even despite having what may be obviously flawed ideals.

[Atreides]

And yet, he said he wouldn't accept a 10:1 spending cuts to taxes deal along with all 9 other people on that stage lol