Random Question Thread XXIII: Neun und Neunzig Luft RQs

[stewie]

With haste capped, is Juogi+1 or Iga Ningi+2 better for TP? In and out of abyssea.

[Maguile]

Can you guys show me some CDC sets for pld?

[Gun-it]

Iga Ningi+2, attack won't be attack for a lot of stuff on NIN.

[Gun-it]

Can you guys show me some CDC sets for pld?

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/231444
One of my friends.

[Neviskio]

Having some troubles exping in oubliette 10-30 doing the page method.I guess it's related to my mnk being 95 and some other guys being 95 in the ally, what lvl should I be then to be able to leech?Alternatives? I'm really lazy so doing subs + tabs for both my chars would rock instead of doing the old way...

[Neisan]

I had no trouble with 26 thf, are you at the second book? there's 2 of the closer to leeches than the first book iirc, you have to go in deeper and sneak lock on the book to get exp (I was in an alliance and getting 1 exp per kill on 26 thf, so it might be cutting it close if you have too many high levels/are too low level).

[Gun-it]

Having some troubles exping in oubliette 10-30 doing the page method.I guess it's related to my mnk being 95 and some other guys being 95 in the ally, what lvl should I be then to be able to leech?Alternatives? I'm really lazy so doing subs + tabs for both my chars would rock instead of doing the old way...

is your mule Gettin no exp or just very little?
try dropping the other 95.

[Apelila]

Blade: Hi WOE katana worth building if I only use NIN for dyna farming/occasional bullshit?

[noodles355]

There is no upate, nothing new was added afaik.

EDIT: white stagger and dyna maps I guess, but no new gear or models

Really? What about the new voidwatch mobs? I don't have the mantis, nor the recolours like Aello. Also there's none of the new 3 set of head/body gear (Ocelomeh etc), unless that has the same model as the three sets from the last voidwatch update (radient mail etc)? But their pictures look very different.

My altana viewer is the may 2011 version, which is the lastest on the KI thread.

[Ocara]

If you have too many people in the pt and the mule is too low, the exp will be less than 1 and round down to 0 (and wont count for book). I think my mule had to be like 15+ or something before I could add anyone to pt and get 1 exp.

[Gun-it]

Blade: Hi WOE katana worth building if I only use NIN for dyna farming/occasional bullshit?

I would say its a lot easier to get 85 Kannagi then it is to get WoE katana. Now is just dyna and random shit worth the time? that's more up to yourself.

[Nightfyre]

Whether or not you care about NIN tanking in Voidwatch, it would be stupid to argue Kannagi > Kikoku because it's better in an event that you could do almost equally well with a Trainee Burin.

I'd argue that it's stupid to reduce my statement to that given that I specifically said it's the one event where Kannagi has an advantage outside Abyssea. Disregarding the benefits of killspeed in terms of both safety and efficiency is also stupid.

Going back to the discussion of utility in Voidwatch, it should be painfully obvious that relying on some 80 CE ninjutsu and low CE black magic gives you a razor-thin margin of hate, nevermind the issues with VE decay vs your DDs, and as such these people you keep referring to would be better off not jamming a square peg into a round hole. Blade: Hi has a ~75-85% critrate with Innin, gear, and Champion's Tonic, more on the frequent 300 TP weaponskill. /WAR augments your damage output, increases your TP gain, and even opens up some additional procs for you to help with if you're so inclined. /SAM lets you generate more TP without being in range. Both of these let you do something productive between procs instead of sitting with your thumb up your ass or trying to tank mobs that clearly weren't designed with NIN tanks in mind, nevermind NINs using a tanking style that died over a year ago.

[Nightfyre]

Really? What about the new voidwatch mobs? I don't have the mantis, nor the recolours like Aello. Also there's none of the new 3 set of head/body gear (Ocelomeh etc), unless that has the same model as the three sets from the last voidwatch update (radient mail etc)? But their pictures look very different.

My altana viewer is the may 2011 version, which is the lastest on the KI thread.

Latest version in the KI thread is July and definitely has the new gear, I'm looking at the ugly ass Ocelomeh Headpiece in it right now.

Blade: Hi WOE katana worth building if I only use NIN for dyna farming/occasional bullshit?

Not really.

[Rehn]

Blade: Hi WOE katana worth building if I only use NIN for dyna farming/occasional bullshit?

If you have a bunch of coins that are going towards nothing, then I suppose. I have about 5-10 of each coin just from farming flux 9 for a days worth of runs when my main goal was for scrolls (I have yet to see blizzaga/thunder5...).

[Byrthnoth]

Going back to the discussion of utility in Voidwatch, it should be painfully obvious that relying on some 80 CE ninjutsu and low CE black magic gives you a razor-thin margin of hate, nevermind the issues with VE decay vs your DDs, and as such these people you keep referring to would be better off not jamming a square peg into a round hole. Blade: Hi has a ~75-85% critrate with Innin, gear, and Champion's Tonic, more on the frequent 300 TP weaponskill. /WAR augments your damage output, increases your TP gain, and even opens up some additional procs for you to help with if you're so inclined. /SAM lets you generate more TP without being in range. Both of these let you do something productive between procs instead of sitting with your thumb up your ass or trying to tank mobs that clearly weren't designed with NIN tanks in mind, nevermind NINs using a tanking style that died over a year ago.

If I can hold hate off the majority of the alliance tossing a few nukes on Black Mage, I'm sure any NIN/DRK worth their salt could hold hate equally well. Sleep and Sleep II were nerfed, but Absorb spells and more sources of Refresh have restored some viability. I'd rather have a NIN/DRK tanking than sitting there hoping desperately to proc something so I don't end up with two weakened stunners, but our NINs sub WAR, use Kannagis, fail to take hate, and die when they do. AoE spam, Fanatic's doesn't exist and no one is quick enough to use it, etc.

There are three primary damage sources in any hard Voidwatch fight (Avatars, Magic, and Ranged attacks) and two of them are rendered useless by double weakness. Fights go faster when you're able to contain the wipe. NIN/DRK keeps hate almost equally well from 20'+ and sitting on the monster, so there's no reason to get hit with the AoE that kills the main tank, the charmga that takes out the melee, etc. I think the strategy is underutilized at the moment. The fact that no one does it doesn't make it any less viable now than it did in 2005.

Strategy options:
/DRK -
CE : Absorb - TP (320), Aspir (320), Stun (180), meleeing with Souleater during HQ staggers (priceless)
VE : Stun (1280), Any Absorb (640), Any stupidly high hate DRK JA (900~1300), Poison (320), Bio (320), Sleep (300)

Defensive -
50% PDT/MDT still, Migawari trump card, you're only aiming to last 5 minutes, and you can Mijin yourself back to usefulness.

[noodles355]

Latest version in the KI thread is July and definitely has the new gear, I'm looking at the ugly ass Ocelomeh Headpiece in it right now.

Hmm. Turns out instead of checking to see if links were posted further in the post, I figured it'd be senisible just to assume the ones in the OP (from May) were the latest. Going to go take some of my anti-stupid pills now. Thanks nightfyre.

[Stanislaus]

0/453 on white proc in Dynamis Bubu... Anything one can do?

[Apelila]

Get luckier. Have been in Dyna every morning since the patch, 1/godknowshowmany white procs so far. Its deff a low percentage

If kannagi/Hi Weapon isnt worth it, should I build an evasion katana then?

[Renzy]

Can you guys show me some CDC sets for pld?

For both inside and outside abyssea.
Mine is almost identical to the other set posted, the only difference is I use Pixie Earring instead of Aesir.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/226069

[Renzy]

Double post again... internet must be lagging or something :/