Steve Jobs resigns as Apple CEO

[Uzor]

In case you didn't know

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Edison stole pretty much everything he's famous for "inventing" and sued the actual creators whenever possible.

This is true. Dude didn't even invent the light bulb (which is arguably his most famous invention), he just happened to improve on earlier models that had existed for the previous 80 years at a time when the technology was advanced enough to actually be profitable.

[Neoscrilla]

You know the economy is bad when even Apple is cutting Jobs.......ba-dum-chhh >.>

[Timwakefield]

Apple really isn't a problem, Apple fanboys are a huge problem. The company has designed a lot of solid products, albeit overpriced and sometimes unnecessary.

Jack. Pot.

On top of the fact that competition breeds better products. I don't like Apple products, but I'm glad they exist. People would think Vista was the hottest shit ever if you didn't have something to compare it against.

Also, I find Jobs kind of pompous at times, but this is a shame. I read the Stanford Commencement speech once every few weeks. Shit gets me pumped up.

[Kaylia]

On top of the fact that competition breeds better products. I don't like Apple products, but I'm glad they exist. People would think Vista was the hottest shit ever if you didn't have something to compare it against.

I don't know about you, but Apple is my bane when it come to UI. Everyone is using freaking icons everywhere, instead of the good old efficient contextual menu and meaningful data structures.

It's pretty much a step back in every way, except for the aesthetics which gained a lot.

[Correction]

You know the economy is bad when even Apple is cutting Jobs.......ba-dum-chhh >.>

ok I lol'd

[hey]

I don't know about you, but Apple is my bane when it come to UI. Everyone is using freaking icons everywhere, instead of the good old efficient contextual menu.

It's pretty much a step back in every way, except for the aesthetics which gained a lot.

The only apple products i use is an olde ipod, so i'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but icons are really far more efficient than text. Icons are instantly recognizable, unlike text, making it far faster to find what you need. The only advantage using text only has is it uses less space (usually).

[Fhloston]

Apple really isn't a problem, Apple fanboys are a huge problem. The company has designed a lot of solid products, albeit overpriced and sometimes unnecessary.

Amen. I'm not an Apple fan myself, but it is good to give consumers a choice of PC VS Mac. Now that I think about it, pompous fanboys with their "my mac is holier than thou" attitude turns me off from Apple more than the products do lol.

Edit: Also, Steve Jobs' money helped form Pixar, so I can't hate on the guy even if I wanted to.

[Kaylia]

The only apple products i use is an olde ipod, so i'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but icons are really far more efficient than text. Icons are instantly recognizable, unlike text, making it far faster to find what you need. The only advantage using text only has is it uses less space (usually).

It's only true when there is a limited amount of possibilities in a menu that you're using very often. When there is a ton of options, and you don't know exactly which icon you're looking for, it will slow down your works considerably.

[Uzor]

I loathe Mac, but I love my iPad - albeit it would be so much better if Apple walked away from their stupidity of refusing Flash on it. There's a lot of flaws with Apple products, but overall they're good imo. I've never had a single Apple thing break, and they've always had excellent battery time. That, and their touch screen is leap and bounds better than the shitty one HTC any many other companies use.

As for icons cluttering the screen up; you do know you can categorize them in maps? Such as work apps in one map, games in one etc.?

The icons on Macs, though, yes. I agree. I loathe my sister's mac.

[Isiolia]

It's only true when there is a limited amount of possibilities in a menu that you're using very often. When there is a ton of options, and you don't know exactly which icon you're looking for, it will slow down your works considerably.

Not sure this is a byproduct of Apple so much as an MS thing with the "ribbon" they started pushing around Office 2007.

Mac OS has always had the menu bar at the top of the screen with consistent keyboard shortcuts, etc. Applications that don't have a normal File/etc menu on Windows have one in OS X.

[Outlaw]

Is it true he has pancreatic cancer? If so, he's pretty much dead... which is really sad. I will admit Jobs is a pioneer and has changed the game quite a bit, but this whole illusion that Apple is an engineering machine when it really is just all in the marketing is wearing thin on me. Apple used to be about innovation and doing things differently so that the few who appreciated its prowess could benefit when the situation called for it. Now that the iPhone hit it big, they have their noses shoved up their asses and are doing everything they can to shove the "user experience" down everyone's throat.

I admittedly was going to buy a MacBook or a G-series Mac until they started using Intel chips. Everyone started buying them and was acting like it's the greatest thing ever when it's really just a different operating system now. They don't even make their own parts. They never have... yet you have rabid fanboys acting like Apple just created a new AA battery because the Apple logo is on it. Get real.

Yes, it's true. In fact it's a rare form of it so that's worse. If he survives another year I will be surprised.

[Tweek]

Oh jesus christ.

I like apple products fine, and you should kill yourself wyrmtung.

lmao this.

Apple created the modern smartphone market, the idea of the "App store"(Which is in EVERYTHING now), the tablet market, many windows features were OSX features first, etc.


Being an anti-fanboy is just as bad as being a fanboy. Apple isn't my favorite company, but to deny that they've been industry innovators because you don't like them is disingenuous at best.
(not directed at arch above me, just the thread in general)

Kaylia said it best, they popularized. They did not "invent" MP3 players. They did not "invent" tablets.. Windows had tablet laptops long before the iPad they just didn't really take off at the time and they relied on a stylus. What Apple did great was vastly improve the user experience but let's be honest they just used the proven OS on the iPhone and ported it to a tablet for the same look and feel.



inventive? nah.. but AMAZING at re-branding, revolutionizing and creating a market. Without him I'm not sure how long Apple will be able to keep the vision up and keep them moving in the right direction so people follow.


P.S. I have always had iPods and love them

[Caiyuo]

Apple created the modern smartphone market, the idea of the "App store"(Which is in EVERYTHING now), the tablet market, many windows features were OSX features first, etc.


Being an anti-fanboy is just as bad as being a fanboy. Apple isn't my favorite company, but to deny that they've been industry innovators because you don't like them is disingenuous at best.
(not directed at arch above me, just the thread in general)

^ "market" being the key word in all of this. It's not even a question of who got there first so much as who made it an attractive option to the public and forced other companies to innovate. For any of what you may dislike about Apple's App store, if you can credit it's closed nature for the advent of a better, cheaper and more open alternative that hardware makers were able to instantly adopt (it's not webOS lol), and I think you can, then I'm more than happy to give that to them.

To further make the point, this quote about the ipad when it first came out:

Look at Apple's track record. Both the iPod, and the iPhone, did not match up to their competition in specs and were more expensive at release time. People had the same "Why?" reaction to both of those products, arguing that they were not full-featured, locked in weird ways, didn't do certain things, too expensive, not powerful enough, whatever. The iPhone itself spawned the same redundancy argument of "I already have a Blackberry and an iPod, why do I need an iPhone?"

And yet both of them completely revolutionized their respective industries so utterly, they pushed their brand names into the generic device vernacular (everyone has an "iPod" now, even if it's by another company) and spawned legions upon legions of imitators. It may have taken them a couple iterations, but they did it. And I don't buy the argument that it's purely due to marketing or some kind of Steve Jobs reality distortion field.

[miokomioko]

In case you didn't know

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Edison stole pretty much everything he's famous for "inventing" and sued the actual creators whenever possible.

Alexander Graham Bell wasn't much better.

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Daniel Drawbaugh was my great-great-(great?)-grandfather

[Isiolia]

The success of Steve Jobs is a result of a dozen other inventors who weren't as good at lawsuits as he is.

Jobs is very good at what he does - which isn't inventing things. Wozniak (who is awesome) was the one who built the Apple I/etc early on.

Apple has done plenty of coming up with stuff themselves, borrowing, refining, etc. Everyone does that. What Jobs did for Apple in more recent times was a lot more about focusing efforts on things that would succeed. The problem lies a lot more with the hype/fanboys than the product.

[wyrmtung]

lmao this.

I knew when I checked in on this thread today that I would have a ton of comments asking me to suck a dick and to kill myself. I am fine with it. I am not going to try to change the mind of anyone whose idea of winning a debate is to call them a bunch of names. I just wanted to post that I appreciate the company and Jobs for what they represent and I don't care who knows it.

People vote with their wallets. People may be able to dismiss the thousands of people who line up on a product launch as fanboys but they cannot apply that label to the millions who continue to buy the product months after the hype has died down and word of mouth spreads from the people who actually use the product. If the products really sucked or at best were just as good as similar offerings on the market then they would not continue to sell so well.

For example: The smartphone makers offer a wide variety of models meant to appeal to any and all potential customers. Apple has just one model of phone and yet it continues to outsell the other smartphone makers and their various models. Apple was able to make a device that appeals to a wide variety of demands and tastes. To me it's pretty impressive that they still get away with it even after four years of competition.

[Surealistic]

By the way, who gives a fuck who was the inventor of such and such? People like driving a Mercedes but they know they didn't invent cars. Are you saying you prefer Walkmans and boomboxes when you want to listen to music on the go?

If you are going to like a product then like a product because it does the job you want it to do the way you want it to. Don't like it because it's not made by Company X.

I usually stay away from posting on Apple related threads because I know this forum. But don't think I haven't been reading. I know that some people who were saying at the time of the iPad launch "WTF, the iPad is just a big touch, why would anyone get one?" are the same people who posted "OMG, the Xoom/Transformer/TouchPad looks awesome."

uhhh, you do realize that apple sues the living shit out of anyone that does anything even partially resembling what they do, so im gonna go out on a limb and say Apple cares who "invents" what, and i use quotes on invents, as apple rarely "invents" anything, they take what others have done, make it look pretty and call it magical

and as for your statement of apple creating the smartphone market, i think blackberry may take issue with that, to this day a blackberry has an installed user base that will not go iphone, regardless of their next magical "innovation"

now on to macos x being the most user friendly easy to use, uhhhh, ummmm, no, most stable, not anymore, prettiest, maybe, but thats it

i grew up using nothing but apples, started on an apple IIc with the color monitor, and actually never even touched a windows machine till i was 21, then i saw the light, the koolaid wore off and i was saved, apple has done some great things, dont get me wrong, but apple has done some downright shitty things as well, just ask xerox, hp, or anyone that tries to use apples own tactics against them

hell, ive read reports stating that apple will put an embargo of sorts on products just so other manufacturers cannot get their hands on the same hardware they use, meaning they can call something magical because they put their money clout in place to make sure no one else can do something close to them, and if they find a way around it, they sue the shit out of them, thats not magical, thats shady

and lets not even get started on the fanbois, they are a race all to themselves, you have rednecks, hipsters, and apple fanbois, all trolling for idiotic supremecy

[Ksandra]

I am not an apple fan.

I am, however, a Disney fan.

And I think people forget all the shit Jobs has done (hopefully still will do) for Disney despite all the FUCKING BULLSHIT CRAP Eisner pulled.


Pixar wouldn't have gotten to where it is today without Jobs. And Lasseter wouldn't be the head of creative development in Disney if it weren't for Jobs.



Now don't get me wrong, Disney is still sucking compared to pre-eisner, but they (Lasseter, Jobs, and Roy E. before passing away) helped prevent it from being much worse, and I hope they can continue to improve it.


Jobs btw is the largest disney shareholder and on the board of directors, so that could effect a lot of shit if he dies.


So ya, fuck apple, but I feel bad for Jobs.

[Omniyoji]

"Good artists copy, great artists steal." ~ Pablo Picasso

[Isiolia]

That's exactly how our Big 3 automakers keep anybody else from getting involved in the business. If anyone wants to start a competing car company, they tell raw materials providers that if they sell to that automaker, they (the big 3) won't buy materials from them anymore.

Yeah. Apple may do it...but they're far from the only ones. Being maybe the only major PC company that hasn't just farmed out their entire design process out to Asia might have something to do with the visibility in the U.S. as well.